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Eleanor

So Joseph Acaster is a blood relative of yours? It was my great aunt that took him in....Mary Reilly

If you want any info about the women who adopted Joseph just let me know

I'll send you a PM

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Hello everyone, your thread is the key to my whole tree. Joseph and Mary Alice were adopted and both did time in an orphanage. Josephs Grandson is Teddy and still alive today- He is my gramps! gramps can remember his father talking about Joseph receiveing overcoats and other luxuries from wealthy Acaster relatives whilst in the orphanage.

Joseph b 1876 ish m Catherine Kitson (Cate) and had William, Joseph, George, Daisy, Lilly and Teddy. Have dates for all if you want them. Aunti Lily is still alive too. she has two sons david & john. Teddy Married Blanche, devastatingly recently laid to rest and had Stephen who had me!

Merged another thread as they do overlap!

James Reilly/Riley married Mary Hartin in Co Cavan about 1861

Any tips really welcome

Thank you




You're looking for ... a record of the marriage?

Have you tried

http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html ?
JaneyCanuck
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Yesterday
Note dates and spelling on two birth records from the above site:

Name: Margret
Baptism/Christening Place: 200, FINEA, CAVAN. IRE
Birth Date: 12 Nov 1870
Birthplace: Finea, Cavan. Ire
Father's Name: James Reilly
Mother's Name: Mary Harten
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C70142-9
System Origin: Ireland-VR
Source Film Number: 101217
Reference Number: 2:1MWJMTR
Collection: Ireland Births and Baptisms, 1620-1881

Name: Bridget
Baptism/Christening Place: 234, FINEA, CAVAN, IRE
Birth Date: 21 Apr 1872
Birthplace: Finea, Cavan, Ire
Father's Name: James Reilly
Mother's Name: Mary Harten
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C70149-5
System Origin: Ireland-VR
Source Film Number: 255852
Reference Number: 2:25CPNN1
Collection: Ireland Births and Baptisms, 1620-1881
Ginny

Yesterday
Hides behind the couch and fesses up that I put the wrong decade


I meant to type they married around 1860

Soz about that ;)
JaneyCanuck
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Yesterday
The Irish civil registration records for marriages at that site don't match up spouses.

Searching for Mary Hartin married in Cavan, Ireland, in 1969, exact or close match:

There are a couple of Mary Hartin/Harten marriages that would be possible in Granard Registration District -- 2 Harten in 1970, 2 Hartin in 1871 and 1866.

What I would do is find them, note the registration details (volume no. etc.), and then search for a James Reilly marriage that matches on those details.

I tried a quick check but didn't see any matches; you might want to try more thoroughly.
Ginny

Yesterday
Thanks JC, I recieved the marriage certificate for the above couple today, married Oct 11th 1869

Its not my family :(
JaneyCanuck
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Yesterday
And here's evidence that I pay as much attention to persons as the law does -- I didn't even notice it was yooo.

Off to familysearch with you!
JaneyCanuck
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Yesterday
There are multiple James Reilly + Mary Harten/Hartin marriages in Co Cavan in the 1860s??

Well, unfortunate for you!

I suppose if you knew anything else about them ... like their children, why you are searching for them ... you'd do what we tell everybody else to do, and tell us ...
Ginny

Yesterday
Ive done all I can thats why I am asking ;)

Doh!
Ginny

Yesterday
I think they had a son Patrick born about 1862, Ireland.
Maura
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Yesterday
There a birth for a Patrick Reilly for 1861 Cavan [RC] father James Reilly mother Mary Harten

http://cavan.rootsireland.ie/
JaneyCanuck

Yesterday
But Ginny, c'mon ... you need to tell us *what* you have done so we don't do it all over again ... like I just presumably did ... You ain't a newbie.

And we still have no clue why you're looking for them; you only *think* they had a son, so you're not descended from them, it seems. (Or are you descended from Patrick, or at least is it his ancestors you're looking for?)

You know that letting know other people what you know is only reasonable.
Ginny

Yesterday
Hellllp.....JC is bullying me ;)


Why do you think Im looking for them numpty, caus they have outstanding debt? Or could it be that they are my family hmmm ;)

I want to find the marriage between them so that I can establish their parents

Thanks Maura, I havent seen that. I am right in thinking there wont be a birth certificate for that year?


JaneyCanuck

Yesterday
I was just going to edit to say yay Maura, looks like him. ;)

C'mon, Ginny, don't you read other threads?

Someone saying "I'm looking for John Smith born 1850" is ALWAYS asked:

- parents?
- children?
- what is your relationship? descended from a child, sibling, parent? Who???

because we don't have magic wands, and if the person doing the asking can't find the answers *with* all that info, how can anybody else find it *without*?
JaneyCanuck

Yesterday
pilot.familysearch has births in the 1860s that do seem to be registrations, but for Patrick Reilly with father James and mother Mary the earliest is in 1864.

Come to think of it, that may be about the earliest I've seen when doing Irish searches in the IGI. Might that be when registration started, or just when the Mormons started extracting from?
Ginny

Yesterday
Dont know parents, dont know for sure children, Patrick is mooted as being a son but no proof

Possible sibling Susan Hartin poss 1840 Ireland? I have info from RootsIre that she married John Flanagan...no idea when or where, 1860s I would guess?
Ginny

Yesterday
Yeah JC civil reg for RC started in 1864 so they must have married before then?
Maura
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Yesterday
Sorry that should of been baptism not birth for Patrick
JaneyCanuck

Yesterday
There's a birth to the Susan couple:

Name: Bridget Flanigan
Birth Date: 26 Jul 1865
Birthplace: 0108,CAVAN,CAVAN,IRELAND
Father's Name: John Flanigan
Mother's Name: Susan Harten
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C70126-4
System Origin: Ireland-ODM
Source Film Number: 101112
Reference Number:
Collection: Ireland Births and Baptisms, 1620-1881

but that's all I see.
Maura

Yesterday
Susan marriage is on the same site 1861 Cavan [RC]

Thanks....I'll check it out

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Gin,

This old post on Ancestry may give you an indication about the probable background of Mary Riley's "adopted" son Joseph Acaster:

http://boards.ancestry.com/surnames.akester/10/mb.ashx

If it is in anyway accurate this might be the death of his father:

Deaths Dec 1879 (99%)
Acaster Joseph 50 Sheffield 9c 233

The message refers to a probable sister of Joseph Jnr, a Mary Alice c1869. It reveals that in 1881 she was at the Roman Catholic Orphanage Kirk Edge, Sheffield (Shown with the surname Acastis).

Thanks both of you, gowd knows where he is in 91/01!

The tree belongs to a cousin of mine.

I might just get his marriage cert but I dont think he isa blood relative.

Good old Mary Riley took in many kids bless her

On the 1911 image he states his place of birth as Derby Yorks and it has been crossed out by someone and Derbyshire added

jax

Gin,

Here is the marriage of the Joseph Acaster that Jax found in the 1911 census:

Marriages Sep 1902 (>99%)
Acaster Joseph Sheffield 9c 827
Kitson Catherine Sheffield 9c 827

P.S. He is not the one born in 1876 in Swinton nr Rotherham who appears in the census with his parents in 1881/91/1901. That one married in Rotherham in 1907.

P.P.S. The Joseph Acaster born c1874 only appears in one family tree on Ancestry. He has obviously been picked up via the 1881 census as nothing else is shown about him. Just out of interest the tree owner is called Riley (In Sheffield) and the tree contains mostly people called Flanagan.

Thanks Jax

More mystery then. The one Jonesey posted says born Sheffield, but there is nothing on BMD showing this birth

Can you see him in 1891/1901 by any chance please

1911 census - household transcription
Person: ACASTER, Joseph
Address: 61 Newcastle ST


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ACASTER, Joseph Head Married M 36 1875 General Labourer Derby Derbyshire VIEW
ACASTER, Catherine Wife Married
8 years F 29 1882 Home Sheffield Yorks VIEW
ACASTER, Joseph Son M 3 1908 Sheffield Yorks VIEW

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Could you have a look on the 1911 census please and see if he pops up there!

x

I'm stumped by the Joseph Acaster 1874 on the above census? I can't find him anywhere else except what you posted Jonesey

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None.

If you want a full list of occupants pm your email address as there are too many characters (5,000+) to send list via Genes.

Im back again!


I dont suppose there were any other Riley's or 'Flanagan's in that home?

x

In 1871???

Name: Mary Biley
[Mary Riley]
Age: 36
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1835
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: James Biley
Gender: Female
Where born: Roscommon, Ireland
Civil parish: Sheffield
Ecclesiastical parish: Holliscroft
Town: Sheffield
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Registration district: Sheffield
Sub-registration district: North Sheffield
ED, institution, or vessel: 24
Household schedule number: 123
Household Members:
Name Age
James Biley 34
Mary Biley 36
Patrick Biley 9 born Roscommon
Peter Burke 48
John Burke 18
John McCormack 23
Thomas McCormack 22
Patrick McCormack 36
Edward Huger 27
Edward McGovern 44
James Macarick 38

In 1881 she had an "Adopted" son:
Name: Joseph Acaster
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1874
Relation: Adapted Son
Gender: Male
Where born: Sheffield, Yorkshire, England
Civil parish: Sheffield
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street Address: 20 Court 1 House Hollis Croft
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Scholar
Registration district: Sheffield
Sub-registration district: North Sheffield
ED, institution, or vessel: 20
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Mary Riley 47
Patrick Riley 19
Joseph Acaster 7

Thats the one guys....thank you very much. Cavan was just what I wanted to see!


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Her occupation (Coal merchant) in 1901 ties in with her on the 1911

1911

RILEY, Mary Inmate Widow F 64 1847 Formerly Coal Dealer Co Cavan VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
27910 Reference:
RG14PN27910 RD510 SD3 ED18 SN9999

Registration District:
Sheffield Sub District:
Sheffield Park Enumeration District:
18 Parish:
Sheffield

Address:
Heeley Bank Road Sheffield County:
Yorkshire (West riding)

Mary Riley
1847 Widow -Co Cavan
Former Coal Dealer

Heeley Bank Road