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7 Apr 2011 12:00 |
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I don't think that we have found Ben and family in 1881 yet. I do think that the death that you have found RamblingRose is a distict possibility. I am possibly being over cautious as we haven't even found Ben and daughter Mary Ann together on a census.
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7 Apr 2011 11:12 |
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Maria 1871 does not appear on the 1881 I take it?
there are no deaths or marriages for a Maria Parker in Fulham 1871 to 1891...
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7 Apr 2011 11:05 |
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rootgatherer, just looking back at these two on the census 1891
PARKER, Mary A Granddaughter F 2 1889 Infimary Fulham PARKER, William Grandson M 0 (10M) 1891 Infimary Fulham
both born in the infirmary ( workhouse?) that might indicate that the death i added for Mary ann in 1890 'could' fit in ?...William is 10 months so woulld have been born 1890
Deaths Dec 1890 (>99%) Parker Mary Ann 21 Fulham 1a 209
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6 Apr 2011 20:43 |
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My question is Is Maria (the 4 month old daughter of Ben in 1871) the mother of Mary Ann born 1889 please? How have we made a connection between the mother of Mary Ann and Ben? We haven't found Ben on any census with a daughter Mary Ann - or am I missing something here please?
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6 Apr 2011 18:36 |
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Here's Benjamin in 1911 in case you don't have it:
PARKER, Benjamin Head Widower M 71 1840 Old Age Pensioner Middlesex Hammersmith PARKER, George Son Single M 48 1863 Labourer General Middlesex Hammersmith PARKER, Lizze Daughter Widow F 43 1868 Charwoman Middlesex Hammersmith GREENAWAY, Ada Daughter Married 5 years F 31 1880 Charwoman Middlesex Hammersmith PARKER, William Nephew Single M 22 1889 Labourer Gas Factory Middlesex Fulham PARKER, Arthur Nephew Single M 19 1892 Labourer Gas Factory Middlesex Fulham PARKER, Grasey Niece F 12 1899 School Middlesex Fulham GREENAWAY, Charlie Nephew M 9 1902 School Middlesex Fulham PARKER, Frederick Nephew M 8 1903 School Middlesex Fulham Registration District: Fulham Sub District: North West Fulham Enumeration District: 23 Parish: Fulham Address: 6 Bedford Place Fulham S W County: London
** On the original it says Benjamin had been married 44 years and had 7 children, 5 of which were still alive.
If you can trace 5 of his children that are still alive in 1911 then that will perhaps help solve whether or not Mary Ann b1868 lived.
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6 Apr 2011 18:26 |
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Just posting a different version of the 1891 which shows the relationships and individual birthplaces:
PARKER, Benjamin Head Married M 51 1840 Labourer London Band Side PARKER, Rachel Wife Married F 50 1841 Cheswick PARKER, Elizabeth Daughter Single F 21 1870 Charwoman Hammersmith Ship Lane PARKER, Arthur B Son Single M 18 1873 Labourer Hammersmith Portland Street PARKER, Richard J Son Single M 16 1875 Labourer Hammersmith Portland Street PARKER, Ada R Daughter F 11 1880 Hammersmith Hanover Cottage PARKER, Mary A Granddaughter F 2 1889 Infimary Fulham PARKER, William Grandson M 0 (10M) 1891 Infimary Fulham HOLMES, George Son In Law Single M 24 1867 General Labourer Hammersmith Portland Street Registration District: Fulham Sub District: Fulham Enumeration District: Ecclesiastical Parish: St Andrews St Albans Civil Parish: Fulham Municipal Borough:
Address: 16, Chelmsford Street, Fulham County: London
George Holmes is described as being "son-in-law" but is single, this possibly implies that he is "stepson" - perhaps a child of Rachel's before her marriage to Benjamin?
Would he be Mary Ann b1868 half brother?
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Linda
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6 Apr 2011 17:15 |
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sorry have been out, but I have a Maria listed b1870 on a previous search and she fits in with the rest of the family. but this would be from Benjamin Parker snr's family of which Benjamin b 1847 would have been a son!
The 1891c is spot on, I'm wondering if George Holmes 24 married Mary Ann Parker b 1868??? as the 2 year old Mary is her daughter. I expect having been born in the Workhouse was because of lack of funds being Poor etc.
Thank you for finding this out for me, just wonder what happened to Mary Ann Parker b 1868...? strange she disappears. between the birth 1888 and 1891. Thanks.
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6 Apr 2011 11:31 |
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I can't see the family on the 1881 yet. It may be worth noting that on the 1891 census both Mary and William's birth place is given as Fulham Infirmary. (Workhouses often had infirmaries for the poor too)
Can you confirm that Maria on the 1871 census is the same Mary Ann Parker who gave birth in Fulham Irfirmary please? Might we be looking for her as Maria rather than Mary Ann on later census?
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6 Apr 2011 11:23 |
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Name: Benjaman Parker Age: 51 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1840 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Rachel Parker Gender: Male Where born: Band Side, London, England Civil parish: Fulham Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrew and St Albans County/Island: London Country: England Street Address:
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Employment status: View image Registration district: Fulham Sub-registration district: Fulham ED, institution, or vessel: 12 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Benjaman Parker 51 Rachel Parker 50 Elizabeth Parker 21 Arthur B Parker 18 Richard J Parker 16 Ada R Parker 11 Mary A Parker 2 William Parker 10/12 George Holomes 24 Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 47; Folio 34; Page 64; GSU roll: 6095157
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6 Apr 2011 11:22 |
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Name: Benjamin Parker Age: 30 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Rachael Parker Gender: Male Where born: Chelsea, Middlesex, England Civil parish: Fulham Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary Town: Fulham County/Island: London Country: England Registration district: Kensington Sub-registration district: Fulham ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Household schedule number: 85 Household Members: Name Age Benjamin Parker 30 Rachael Parker 28 George Parker 7 Eliza Parker 2 Maria Parker 4 Months Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 67; Folio: 28; Page: 13; GSU roll: 82457
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6 Apr 2011 11:01 |
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1901? for Ref.
Name: Ben Parker Age: 65 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836 Relation: Head Gender: Male Where born: Hammersmith, London, England Civil parish: Fulham Ecclesiastical parish: St John County/Island: London Country: England Street Address:
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Employment status: View image Registration district: Fulham Sub-registration district: North East Fulham ED, institution, or vessel: 7 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 526 Household Members: Name Age Ben Parker 65 Gen. Lab Widower Eliza Parker 31 Daughter, b. Hammersmith Mary Parker 15 Daughter, b. Fulham William Parker 13 Son, b. Fulham Arthur Parker 8 Son, b. Fulham Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 60; Folio: 46; Page: 84.
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Linda
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6 Apr 2011 10:31 |
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census for Benjamin Parker as follows: 1881c married to Rachel Adams. had 7 children one being my gt gmther Mary Ann Parker. aged 13 on this census. 1891c Benjamin Parker aged 57 Rachel 50 with 4 of his children and 2 grandchildren Mary Ann Parker b 1888 my grandmother and William age 10 months b 1888 also down as grandchild. 1901c shows Benjamin 66 1 daughter Eliza 31 and three grandchildren Mary Ann my grandmother b 1888, William 13 grandson b 1888 and Arthur 8 another grandson? b 1893 These c records are from a cousin, but we cannot find Mary Ann Parker the mother we are supposing Mary Ann and William are twins? is this any help for you? tks for what you are doing.
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6 Apr 2011 10:26 |
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Am I right to asume that this is her mother and Grandfather?
1871 England Census about Mary Ann Parker Name: Mary Ann Parker Age: 2 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: Benjamine Parker Mother's Name: Eliza Parker Gender: Female Where born: Stoke; Newington Civil parish: Hackney St John Ecclesiastical parish: West Hackney County/Island: London Country: England Registration district: Hackney Sub-registration district: West Hackney ED, institution, or vessel: 1a Household schedule number: 43 Household Members: Name Age Benjamine Parker 42 Eliza Parker 58 Benjamine Parker 10 Mary Ann Parker 2
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6 Apr 2011 10:21 |
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What is the census info you have, you mention Ben Parker?
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6 Apr 2011 10:19 |
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Ben Parker England and Wales Census, 1901 birth: 1836 — Hammersmith, London christening: baptism: death: burial: residence: 31 Mar 1901 — Fulham, London, Middlesex, England parents: spouse: child: marriage: record title: England and Wales Census, 1901 name: Ben Parker event: Census event date: 31 Mar 1901 gender: Male age: 65 relationship to head of household: Head birthplace: Hammersmith, London record type: Household registration district: Fulham sub-district: North-East Fulham ecclesiastical parish: St John civil parish: Fulham county: Fulham, North-East Fulham, Fulham, London, Middlesex
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6 Apr 2011 10:18 |
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Mary Ann Parker England and Wales Census, 1901 birth: 1859 — City Cavendish Sq christening: baptism: death: burial: residence: 31 Mar 1901 — Fulham, London, Middlesex, England parents: spouse: child: marriage: record title: England and Wales Census, 1901 name: Mary Ann Parker event: Census event date: 31 Mar 1901 gender: Female age: 42 relationship to head of household: Wife birthplace: City Cavendish Sq record type: Household registration district: Fulham sub-district: South Fulham ecclesiastical parish: St Matthew civil parish: Fulham county: Fulham, South Fulham, Fulham, London, Middlesex
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6 Apr 2011 10:17 |
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Annie F Parker England and Wales Census, 1901 birth: 1888 — Fulham, London christening: baptism: death: burial: residence: 31 Mar 1901 — Fulham, London, Middlesex, England parents: spouse: child: marriage: record title: England and Wales Census, 1901 name: Annie F Parker event: Census event date: 31 Mar 1901 gender: Female age: 13 relationship to head of household: Daughter birthplace: Fulham, London record type: Household registration district: Fulham sub-district: North-West Fulham ecclesiastical parish: St Alban civil parish: Fulham county: Fulham, North-West Fulham, Fulham, London, Middlesex
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6 Apr 2011 10:14 |
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If there is no trace of her after the birth this might be her?
Deaths Dec 1890 (>99%) Parker Mary Ann 21 Fulham 1a 209
perhaps someone can see her daughter in 1891 ( sorry I don't have access at the moment)
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Linda
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6 Apr 2011 10:03 |
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Hi My Grandmother was born in Fulham Workhouse in 1888 her name is Mary Ann Parker, same as her mother b1868. Father not listed on birth certificate, but g/father Benjamin Parker listed as "g/father" on census records. I am trying to find what happened to my gt. grandmother as cannot find any details of her after the birth of my g/mother, she doesn't appear on the 1901c or the 1891c? Is there anyway of finding her? tks linda.
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