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I am completely stuck and wondered if anyone could help me find my grgrgr grandfather. He is on the 1911 census in Salford in Margaret St with his wife Charlotte nee Evison b 1872 Sheffield m 1890. He was born in Neston Cheshire in 1868. On the 1901 census Charlotte is married and the head James her husband is missingOn the 1891 census they are together in West Salford and he is described as being born in Little Neston Cheshire. What I would love to find in James on the 1861, 1871 and 1881 census and who his father was. On James and Charlotte's marriage certificate James' father is named as James Williams a servant. Family legend says he was born in the 1840s and was a farmer in Wales as well as a professional soldier at one time. I have found a record on the 1911 census in Duke Street Cheshire which might be him but I'm not sure.Any help on where James b 1868 Neston was before 1891 and in 1901 and any information on his father would be much appreciated.ThanksIngrid

Sorry for the delay in replying Ingrid..........we seem to be having problems which GR are trying to fix. Back soon!

I was going to post the 1901 for ref. But the site is still not allowing C&P.

Allow me, Rootgatherer..............

1901 England Census
about Charlotte Williams Name: Charlotte Williams
Age: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Sheffield, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Pendleton
Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration district: Salford
Sub-registration district: Pendleton
ED, institution, or vessel: 50
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 65
Household Members: Name Age
Charlotte Williams 28
James Wm Williams 9
Herbert Williams 8
Ethel Williams 6
William A Williams 4
Annie Williams 2


at 10 Hayfield St.

Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 3718; Folio: 64; Page: 13.

Dea x

Thank you Dea. I am still searching for Charlotte with James in 1891!

1891
WILLIAMS, Jas Lodger Married M 22 1869 Coal Miner
Little Neston
Cheshire VIEW
WILLIAMS, Charlotte Wife Married F 18 1873
Sheffield
Yorkshire VIEW
RG number:
RG12 Piece:
3206 Folio:
165 Page:
7

Registration District:
Salford Sub District:
Pendleton Enumeration District:
33 Ecclesiastical Parish:
St Thomas

Civil Parish:
Pendleton Municipal Borough:
Salford Address:
16, Mossfield Place, Pendleton, Irlam O'th Height, Salford County:
Lancashire

Me too.......i cant seem to find him before 1901!

Thanks Maddie - I hadn't looked for him as Jas.

Got him!


1891 England Census
about Jas Williams
Name: Jas Williams
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Little Neston, Cheshire, England

Civil parish: Pendleton
Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas
Town: Irlam O Th Height
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Salford
Sub-registration district: Pendleton
ED, institution, or vessel: 33
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Elizabeth Edwards 58
Clara Edwards 8
Jas Williams 22 (Coal Miner)
Charlotte Edwards 18 (Charlotte Williams.....Wife.)

Better late than never!!

can't find him before that can you
maddie

Nope!

I sent a possible birth by PM, as I was unable to post the details on here, due to the site's problem.

As Neston is in The Wirral, I wonder if he was just being very specific about his birthplace. Could this be him in Birkenhead? (Sorry my English geography isn't too hot)

1871

Name: James Williams
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870
Relation: Son
Father's name: James Williams
Mother's name: Mary Williams
Gender: Male
Where born: Birkenhead, Cheshire, England
Civil parish: Birkenhead
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
Town: Birkenhead
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England
Registration district: Birkenhead
Sub-registration district: Birkenhead
ED, institution, or vessel: 30
Household schedule number: 363
Household Members: Name Age
James Williams 41 Ag. Lab
Mary Williams 23
Thomas Williams 12
Hamer Williams 10
Mary E Williams 8
William Williams 3
James Williams 1

I think you will need to purchase James and Charlotte's marriage certificate Ingrid which will give you the name and occupation of James father.

PricklyHolly, Ingrid has the marriage certificate which gives his father as James a Servant.

Oops!!

He could, of course, be a 'Farm Servant' ??? - i.e. a 'posh' name for an Ag. Lab ??,

Dea x

Hi,
Thank you all for the info. I did already have him in 1891 and 1911 and the marriage certificate. The birth Mary found in the Wirral does seem right.
The 1871 census where James is in Birkenhead looks promising and I will check that out as Ag Lab could be farmer in family legend. I should be able tocheck that when I get James' birth certificate.
There appears to be 2 JW born in Cheshire living in Salford in 1891 but the one Prickly Holly found is incorrect as Charlotte was born Evison not Edwards and they wer married in 1890 and were living in Mossfield Place as Maddie had posted.
Thanks again for all your replies.
Ingrid

Pleasure to help Ingrid. Let us know when you get the birth certifictae please.

Dea, yes I think that Farm Servant and Ag. Lab. are the same. In Scotland, especially in the Aberdeenshire area they are more commonly referred to as Farm Servants rather than Ag. Labs.