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22 Jun 2011 18:52 |
Thanks everyone! Let me answer your questions.
Patchem - No I dont have her on any previous censuses
Ann of GG - Thanks for the info. I do have their marriage record and had seen the info regarding death. I'm pretty sure that is Charlotte's father.
Glitter Baby - Occupation is listed as miner. I think the census you have posted is not the same family as the age doesnt match and her father was still alive in 1851 although i know that doesnt mean he was in the house the night of the census.
Catherine - Had seen that record on SP but again doesnt match up with other info. Very confusing indeed!
Astra - 1851 census is a possibility as, after a bit of looking, I found that Anne Snadon was probably Anne(or Agnes) Ramage, possibly an aunt??
Thanks everyone! Still as confused as before! lol
:-S
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GlitterBaby
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22 Jun 2011 00:00 |
1851
Name: Charlotte Ramage Age: 7 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844 Relationship: Daughter Mother's name: Margaret Ramage Gender: Female Where born: Dunfermline, Fife Parish Number: 397 Civil parish: Tulliallan Town: Kincardine County: Perthshire Address: Newtown ED: 4 Page: 7 (click to see others on page) Household schedule number: 29 Line: 6 Roll: CSSCT1851_83 Household Members: Name Age Margaret Ramage 53 Andrew Ramage 18 Margaret Ramage 16 James Ramage 14 Robert Ramage 10 Charlotte Ramage 7 John Ramage 4
Not unusual for Scottish married woman to use their maiden name on census. Got several like that in my tree,
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Catherine
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21 Jun 2011 23:13 |
From the marriage cert- Father - John Ramage, deceased, miner Mother Margaret Philp
1841 Census Name: Charlot Ramage Age: 1 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1840 Gender: Female Where born: Kinross, Scotland Civil parish: Fossoway County: Kinross Address: New Blairingone Parish Number: 461 Household Members: Name Age William Philip 30 Hellen Philip 25 Margret Philip 2 Jane Philip 8 MO John Ramage 50 Ann Ramage 43 John Ramage 18 Robert Ramage 17 Charels Ramage 15 Cathrew Ramage 12 Colin Ramage 10 James Ramage 9 Ann Ramage 7 Mathrew Ramage 5 Charlot Ramage 1
All a bit confusing.
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21 Jun 2011 23:05 |
Does it give any occupation for her father on the marriage cert or is he just shown as deceased
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21 Jun 2011 22:57 |
On SP- Date- 20/11/1839 RAMAGE CHARLOTTE Parents COLIN RAMAGE ANN JACK FR697 Female Born FOSSOWAY AND TULLIEBOLE /KINROSS
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21 Jun 2011 21:49 |
The problem with the 1841 is that it doesn't give family relationships. Ther is nothing to say that she was their daughter.
There is this in 1851. This one born in Demfermline but visiting in Clackmannanshire
Charlote Ramage Age: 12 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1839 Relationship: Visitor Gender: Female Where born: Dunfermline, Fife Parish Number: 466 Civil parish: Clackmannan Town: Aberdona Collury County: Clackmannanshire Address: 6 San Mill Row ED: 4 Page: 5 (click to see others on page) Household schedule number: 16 Line: 16 Roll: CSSCT1851_96 Household Members: Name Age George Snaddon 29 Anne Snaddon 29 Margret Snaddon 10 Christian Snaddon 7 Peter Snaddon 5 Johne Snaddon 3 John Snaddon 3 MO Peter Dempster 18 Charlote Ramage 12
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21 Jun 2011 21:30 |
Charlotte Ramage Age: 2 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1839 Gender: Female Where born: Scotland Civil parish: Clackmannan County: Clackmannanshire Address: Forest Mill Parish Number: 466 Household Members: Name Age John Ramage 47 Margt Philips 44 Thos Ramage 65 John Ramage 13 Ander Ramage 9 James Ramage 4 Robt Ramage 3 MO Helen Ramage 15 Martha Ramage 6 Charlotte Ramage 2
This is taken from a tree on Ancestry
Charlotte Ramage
Birth 20 Nov 1839 in Fossoway & Tulebole, Kinross but they have her parents as Colin Ramage and Ann Jack.
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21 Jun 2011 21:05 |
John Ramage Compact Disc #148 Pin #1353086 Pedigree Sex: M
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Event(s) Birth: abt 1793 Death: 4 Mar 1856 Carnock, Fife, Scotland
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Parents Father: William Ramage Disc #148 Pin #1353090 Mother: Ann Tonsh? Disc #148 Pin #1353091
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marriage(s) Spouse: Margaret Philp Disc #148 Pin #1353087 Marriage: 23 May 1818 Torryburn, Fife, Scotland
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21 Jun 2011 21:01 |
CHARLOTTE RAMAGE Pedigree Female Family -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marriages: Spouse: JOHN FINLAY Family Marriage: 01 JUN 1857 Carnock, Fife, Scotland -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Messages: Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.
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21 Jun 2011 20:52 |
Have you got her in any censuses before her marriage? Thanks
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Marc
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21 Jun 2011 20:37 |
Help required please!!!!
I can't find a birth record for Charlotte.
What i do know about her is as follows.
Married John Finlay in Carnock, Fife 01/06/1857. Age recorded as 19. Parents John Ramage(deceased) & Margaret Philp. 1861 census Carnock age recorded as 22, born Fife, Crossgates? 1871 census Carnock age recorded as 31, born Fifeshire, Dunfermline. 1881 census Townhill age recorded as 42, born England! 1901 census Townhill age recorded as 62, born Fifeshire, Beath. Death 02/04/1924 Lochgelly age 85, parents Thomas Ramage & Margaret Philp. Informant Charles Finlay(son)
So I have 4 different birth places and two different fathers names. Scotlands People does have Charlotte Ramage but not this one, same with IGI. IGI does show 3 children for John & Margaret, John born 1826, Andrew born c 1830 & James born 1836 but no Charlotte!
Am I chasing a non existant record or does anyone have an idea where else i should be looking or even better an answer!
Thanks for reading this. Even more thanks if you can help!
Marc :-)
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