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AuntySherlock
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22 Jun 2011 22:29 |
Were Scotland marriages treated differently from the norm in the 1700s. I have an instance where the children took the name of the mother. I know that could mean the parents were not married however the IGI does list a marriage.
I am also aware that IGI records and public member trees should be treated warily until sourced by other means.
Please note dates are all approximate.
I have Walter Walker b 1720 and Christian Baird b. 1723 They married in 1744
They had children including Robert born in 1750. He is named as Robert Baird and not Walker.
Do I have a monumental mix up and/or an example of one mistake perpetuating itself through lots of trees. Or did Scotland's women keep their own name after marriage.
To continue..
Robert Baird b. 1750 married Elizabeth Isobell Brown b. 1754 in 1776. Daughter Isobel b. 1777.
Isobel married John Walker in 1802, thus returning the tree to the Walker name. Isobel and John had five children, one of whom continues the line I am searching.
I need to get ready for work so will catch up later this afternoon, my time.
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23 Jun 2011 09:19 |
Results for: Scotland, British Isles Father: Walter Walker, Mother: Christian Baird Exact Spelling: Off [refine search] [Print] Prepare selected records for download
International Genealogical Index / British Isles - 7 Find more British records by searching on the updated FamilySearch site. Click here...
Select records to download - (50 maximum) 1. WALTER WALKER - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 16 MAR 1735 Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
2. ROBT. WALKER - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 05 MAY 1741 Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
3. JANET WALKER - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 15 JUL 1733 Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
4. CHRISTIAN WALKER - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 16 DEC 1739 Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
5. Robert BAIRD - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Birth: About 1750 Tollcross, Lanark, Scotland
6. Robert BAIRD - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Marriage: About 1776 , Lanark, Scotland
7. Robert BAIRD - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Birth: About 1750 Tollcross, Lanark, Scotland
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re-children 1-to-4 poss married----Robert 1750---walter might have died--or they divorced-seperated--in which case she would have to name her son Baird!---[thought asposs reason/?
My first reaction which I communicated to you was that Walter, Robert, Janet and Christian actually look like siblings. Of course they are, they are all the children of Walter and Christian. Therefore I need a death of Walter and have to wonder why Christian had at least one more child. I wonder if he was born after Walter died, but why would she not give him his father's name. Nope, have to consider he was the child of another father.
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AuntySherlock
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23 Jun 2011 11:56 |
marriage: 01 Jun 1744 —Kirkcaldy, Fife, Scotland spouse: Thomas Dougall record title: Scotland Marriages, 1561-1910 groom's name: Thomas Dougall bride's name: Christian Baird marriage date: 01 Jun 1744 marriage place: Kirkcaldy,Fife,Scotland indexing project (batch) number: M11442-6 system origin: Scotland-ODM source film number: 1040186
Interesting, might not be Robert Baird's mother. Dates fit.
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mgnv
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23 Jun 2011 12:04 |
Janet's is the only extracted record - the rest are contributed. One wonders how often 13y old boys and 10y old girls had kids.
It was normal for women to use their husband's surname, but be buried under their maiden surname.
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Potty
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23 Jun 2011 12:35 |
Walter and Janet's baptisms are on scotlandspeople - the images might give some more info.
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AuntySherlock
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23 Jun 2011 12:35 |
This is very messy, I have another Christian Baird (or two) born between 1707 and 1711. She would fit better than one born 1723, so far as the parenting goes. She either married Walter Walker in c1732 or John Paterson, 1732, or James Young c1734.
Or all of them. I give up.
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Potty
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23 Jun 2011 12:39 |
familysearch has submitted records for two marriages for Walter and Christian: one in about 1732 and one in about 1744. The "abouts" make me think they are just guesses.
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AuntySherlock
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23 Jun 2011 12:48 |
Thanks I think I have access to Scotlands people. Haven't used it for a while.
Off to take a look. If I can stay awake long enough.
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AuntySherlock
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23 Jun 2011 13:23 |
Went looking at Scotland's people. Yep I had credits from 2010 on there, but had to buy extra in order to reactivate the old ones. Mumble, mumble. And the results don't please me either. Hope this travels OK. Well it took a little editing.
These are old parish records between 1725 and 1760 and they show Christian Baird did not marry Walter Walker. Off to slit my wrists.
03/01/1734 BAIRD CHRISTIAN JAMES YOUNG F AVONDALE /LANARK 24/02/1738 BAIRD CHRISTIAN GEORGE STARK F CUMBERNAULD /DUNBARTON 28/11/1739 BAIRD CHRISTIAN HARY DOUNS F CUMBERNAULD /DUNBARTON 01/06/1744 BAIRD CHRISTIAN THOMAS DOUGALL F KIRKCALDY /FIFE 09/12/1745 BAIRD CHRISTIAN GEORGE PATERSON KILMARNOCK (AYR) /AYR 24/05/1755 BAIRD CHRISTIAN JOHN MCMURTERY F AYR /AYR 24/05/1755 BAIRD CHRISTIAN JOHN MCMURTRIE F COYLTON /AYR 10/05/1756 BAIRD CHRISTIAN JAMES HAY/ F ABERDEEN ABERDEEN CITY CITY/ABERDEEN
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23 Jun 2011 13:49 |
25/04/1718 WALKER WALTER ISABELL WALKER/ M TRANENT /EAST LOTHIAN 31/10/1719 WALKER WALTER SARAH STEWART/ M BONHILL /DUNBARTON 19/11/1724 WALKER WALTER HENRIETT JUNKEN/ M ALVES /MORAY 17/07/1729 WALKER WALTER MARGRET GRIER/ M GLENCAIRN /DUMFRIES
Walter started marrying around 1718 or before and stopped in 1729. No marriages appear for him after that.
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Helen
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23 Jun 2011 13:54 |
Another child born to this couple
JNO WALKER Event(s): Birth: Christening: 08 JAN 1738 Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
Parents: Father: EDWARD WALKER Mother: CHRISTN BAIRD
Submitted Record ... however the submitter has the father's name wrong. On a free search on Scotlandspeople, the father's name comes up as Walter Walker.
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Potty
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23 Jun 2011 15:49 |
Just because you can't find a record for a marriage doesn't mean they didn't marry. The record may not survive or they may have had what is known as an irregular marriage.
This site explains:
http://www.gla.ac.uk/departments/scottishwayofbirthanddeath/marriage/
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23 Jun 2011 21:18 |
Joan - although if I look at http://www.anesfhs.org.uk/databank/ all I see is:
booklet: Kirkyard of Turriff (AA189) burial ground: Turriff stone: 164 Alexander Anderson 20 Oct 1874 Elizabeth Scott 31 Jul 1875 Margaret Watson 22 Nov 1890 Alexander Anderson 19 Jun 1908
If I look at the booklet I assume I see the MI on the stone:
1876 Erected by Alexander Anderson Hill of Ardmiddle in memory of his son Alexander who died 20th Oct'r 1874 aged 21 years also his mother Elizabeth Scott who died 31st July 1876 aged 80 years also his wife Margaret Watson who died 22nd Nov 1890 aged 71 years The above Alexander Anderson died 19th June 1908 aged 83 years
Elizabeth Scott wed William Anderson 13/4/1823 Margaret Watson wed Alexander Anderson 1/12/1849 Both marrs are extracts in the old IGI under batch # M112195 for Lonmay.
The old databank used to include unpublished booklets, like Old Deer & Longside, but the new doesn't, so, for a more local example:
booklet: Kirkyard of Fetterangus (AA132) burial ground: Fetterangus stone: 139 Isabella Slessor 15 Jun 1903 Andrew Henderson 13 Oct 1925
I presume this was the couple wed 14/12/1867 @ Peterhead in the IGI as a GROS index extract.
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AuntySherlock
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23 Jun 2011 22:25 |
Via PM message.
IGI Individual Record FamilySearchâ„¢ International Genealogical Index
Walter Walker Pedigree Male Family
Christening: 21 DEC 1701 Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
Parents: Father: John Walker Family Mother: Rebecca Weems
And another lot........
IGI Individual Record FamilySearch ROBERT BAIRD Pedigree Male Family
Marriages: Spouse: MARGARET BAIRD Family Marriage: 12 JUL 1747 Cambuslang, Lanark, Scotland
And this one also
Results for: Lanark, Scotland, British Isles Father: John Walker, Mother: Rebecca Weems
1. Walter Walker - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Marriage: About 1732 , Lanark, Scotland
2. Walter Walker - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 21 DEC 1701 Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
3. Robert WALKER - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 02 SEP 1697 Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
4. George WALKER - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 22 OCT 1699 Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
5. James WALKER - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 15 JUN 1690 Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
6. John WALKER - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 15 JUL 1688 Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
Just thinking!! There are at least 16 people who have this family in trees on A.
I thank you on their collective behalf for all the information you are providing. Must admit I still need to get my head around how some of it fits together. At least now I know I wasn't having a senior's moment when I questioned the information.
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AuntySherlock
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26 Jun 2011 13:22 |
I am still working on this search. The problem is that what information which is available on the LDS IGI site as submitted records is not supported by records or images on Scotlands People or Ancestry.
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