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Baird, Walker, Scotland 1720-1790

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AuntySherlock

AuntySherlock Report 22 Jun 2011 22:29

Were Scotland marriages treated differently from the norm in the 1700s. I have an instance where the children took the name of the mother. I know that could mean the parents were not married however the IGI does list a marriage.

I am also aware that IGI records and public member trees should be treated warily until sourced by other means.

Please note dates are all approximate.

I have Walter Walker b 1720 and Christian Baird b. 1723
They married in 1744

They had children including Robert born in 1750. He is named as Robert Baird and not Walker.

Do I have a monumental mix up and/or an example of one mistake perpetuating itself through lots of trees. Or did Scotland's women keep their own name after marriage.

To continue..

Robert Baird b. 1750 married Elizabeth Isobell Brown b. 1754 in 1776.
Daughter Isobel b. 1777.

Isobel married John Walker in 1802, thus returning the tree to the Walker name.
Isobel and John had five children, one of whom continues the line I am searching.

I need to get ready for work so will catch up later this afternoon, my time.

AuntySherlock

AuntySherlock Report 23 Jun 2011 09:19

Results for: Scotland, British Isles
Father: Walter Walker, Mother: Christian Baird
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1. WALTER WALKER - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 16 MAR 1735 Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland

2. ROBT. WALKER - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 05 MAY 1741 Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland

3. JANET WALKER - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 15 JUL 1733 Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland

4. CHRISTIAN WALKER - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 16 DEC 1739 Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland

5. Robert BAIRD - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: About 1750 Tollcross, Lanark, Scotland

6. Robert BAIRD - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Marriage: About 1776 , Lanark, Scotland

7. Robert BAIRD - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: About 1750 Tollcross, Lanark, Scotland


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re-children 1-to-4 poss married----Robert 1750---walter might have died--or they divorced-seperated--in which case she would have to name her son Baird!---[thought asposs reason/?

My first reaction which I communicated to you was that Walter, Robert, Janet and Christian actually look like siblings. Of course they are, they are all the children of Walter and Christian. Therefore I need a death of Walter and have to wonder why Christian had at least one more child. I wonder if he was born after Walter died, but why would she not give him his father's name. Nope, have to consider he was the child of another father.

AuntySherlock

AuntySherlock Report 23 Jun 2011 11:56

marriage: 01 Jun 1744 —Kirkcaldy, Fife, Scotland
spouse: Thomas Dougall

record title: Scotland Marriages, 1561-1910
groom's name: Thomas Dougall
bride's name: Christian Baird
marriage date: 01 Jun 1744
marriage place: Kirkcaldy,Fife,Scotland
indexing project (batch) number: M11442-6
system origin: Scotland-ODM
source film number: 1040186

Interesting, might not be Robert Baird's mother. Dates fit.

mgnv

mgnv Report 23 Jun 2011 12:04

Janet's is the only extracted record - the rest are contributed.
One wonders how often 13y old boys and 10y old girls had kids.

It was normal for women to use their husband's surname, but be buried under their maiden surname.

Potty

Potty Report 23 Jun 2011 12:35

Walter and Janet's baptisms are on scotlandspeople - the images might give some more info.

AuntySherlock

AuntySherlock Report 23 Jun 2011 12:35

This is very messy, I have another Christian Baird (or two) born between 1707 and 1711. She would fit better than one born 1723, so far as the parenting goes.
She either married Walter Walker in c1732 or
John Paterson, 1732, or
James Young c1734.

Or all of them. I give up.

Potty

Potty Report 23 Jun 2011 12:39

familysearch has submitted records for two marriages for Walter and Christian: one in about 1732 and one in about 1744. The "abouts" make me think they are just guesses.

AuntySherlock

AuntySherlock Report 23 Jun 2011 12:48

Thanks I think I have access to Scotlands people. Haven't used it for a while.

Off to take a look. If I can stay awake long enough.

AuntySherlock

AuntySherlock Report 23 Jun 2011 13:23

Went looking at Scotland's people. Yep I had credits from 2010 on there, but had to buy extra in order to reactivate the old ones. Mumble, mumble. And the results don't please me either. Hope this travels OK. Well it took a little editing.

These are old parish records between 1725 and 1760 and they show Christian Baird did not marry Walter Walker. Off to slit my wrists.


03/01/1734 BAIRD CHRISTIAN JAMES YOUNG F AVONDALE /LANARK
24/02/1738 BAIRD CHRISTIAN GEORGE STARK F CUMBERNAULD /DUNBARTON
28/11/1739 BAIRD CHRISTIAN HARY DOUNS F CUMBERNAULD /DUNBARTON
01/06/1744 BAIRD CHRISTIAN THOMAS DOUGALL F KIRKCALDY /FIFE
09/12/1745 BAIRD CHRISTIAN GEORGE PATERSON KILMARNOCK (AYR) /AYR
24/05/1755 BAIRD CHRISTIAN JOHN MCMURTERY F AYR /AYR
24/05/1755 BAIRD CHRISTIAN JOHN MCMURTRIE F COYLTON /AYR
10/05/1756 BAIRD CHRISTIAN JAMES HAY/ F ABERDEEN ABERDEEN CITY CITY/ABERDEEN

AuntySherlock

AuntySherlock Report 23 Jun 2011 13:49

25/04/1718 WALKER WALTER ISABELL WALKER/ M TRANENT /EAST LOTHIAN
31/10/1719 WALKER WALTER SARAH STEWART/ M BONHILL /DUNBARTON
19/11/1724 WALKER WALTER HENRIETT JUNKEN/ M ALVES /MORAY
17/07/1729 WALKER WALTER MARGRET GRIER/ M GLENCAIRN /DUMFRIES

Walter started marrying around 1718 or before and stopped in 1729. No marriages appear for him after that.

Helen

Helen Report 23 Jun 2011 13:54

Another child born to this couple

JNO WALKER

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
08 JAN 1738 Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland


Parents:
Father: EDWARD WALKER
Mother: CHRISTN BAIRD

Submitted Record ... however the submitter has the father's name wrong. On a free search on Scotlandspeople, the father's name comes up as Walter Walker.

Potty

Potty Report 23 Jun 2011 15:49

Just because you can't find a record for a marriage doesn't mean they didn't marry. The record may not survive or they may have had what is known as an irregular marriage.

This site explains:

http://www.gla.ac.uk/departments/scottishwayofbirthanddeath/marriage/

mgnv

mgnv Report 23 Jun 2011 21:18

Joan - although if I look at http://www.anesfhs.org.uk/databank/ all I see is:

booklet: Kirkyard of Turriff (AA189)
burial ground: Turriff
stone: 164
Alexander Anderson 20 Oct 1874
Elizabeth Scott 31 Jul 1875
Margaret Watson 22 Nov 1890
Alexander Anderson 19 Jun 1908

If I look at the booklet I assume I see the MI on the stone:

1876
Erected
by
Alexander Anderson
Hill of Ardmiddle in memory
of his son Alexander
who died 20th Oct'r 1874
aged 21 years
also his mother
Elizabeth Scott who died
31st July 1876 aged 80 years
also his wife
Margaret Watson who died
22nd Nov 1890 aged 71 years
The above Alexander Anderson
died 19th June 1908 aged 83 years


Elizabeth Scott wed William Anderson 13/4/1823
Margaret Watson wed Alexander Anderson 1/12/1849
Both marrs are extracts in the old IGI under batch # M112195 for Lonmay.


The old databank used to include unpublished booklets, like Old Deer & Longside, but the new doesn't, so, for a more local example:

booklet: Kirkyard of Fetterangus (AA132)
burial ground: Fetterangus
stone: 139
Isabella Slessor 15 Jun 1903
Andrew Henderson 13 Oct 1925

I presume this was the couple wed 14/12/1867 @ Peterhead in the IGI as a GROS index extract.

AuntySherlock

AuntySherlock Report 23 Jun 2011 22:25

Via PM message.


IGI Individual Record FamilySearchâ„¢ International Genealogical Index

Walter Walker Pedigree
Male Family


Christening: 21 DEC 1701 Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland

Parents:
Father: John Walker Family
Mother: Rebecca Weems

And another lot........

IGI Individual Record FamilySearch
ROBERT BAIRD Pedigree
Male Family



Marriages:
Spouse: MARGARET BAIRD Family
Marriage: 12 JUL 1747 Cambuslang, Lanark, Scotland



And this one also

Results for: Lanark, Scotland, British Isles
Father: John Walker, Mother: Rebecca Weems

1. Walter Walker - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Marriage: About 1732 , Lanark, Scotland

2. Walter Walker - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 21 DEC 1701 Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland

3. Robert WALKER - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 02 SEP 1697 Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland

4. George WALKER - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 22 OCT 1699 Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland

5. James WALKER - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 15 JUN 1690 Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland

6. John WALKER - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 15 JUL 1688 Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland

Just thinking!! There are at least 16 people who have this family in trees on A.

I thank you on their collective behalf for all the information you are providing. Must admit I still need to get my head around how some of it fits together. At least now I know I wasn't having a senior's moment when I questioned the information.


AuntySherlock

AuntySherlock Report 26 Jun 2011 13:22

I am still working on this search. The problem is that what information which is available on the LDS IGI site as submitted records is not supported by records or images on Scotlands People or Ancestry.