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Hi Choccy, thanks again for Gertrude's passenger details. Don't worry about more details excluding a passenger list. Sorry about that. LK already helped me. She added this website address. She is a clever and very helpful.

Hi LK, I did not know that Ancestry has Western Australia, Australia, Crew and Passenger Lists, 1852-1930. I just found about it yesterday.

I only asked for a passenger list of Gertrude's passenger list, that's all. However, a lovely Choccy was helping that I did not ask for more.

Really, you will go to the archives. What will you look for? Thanks, again.

Stephen most of this information is on your other thread. I you did not tell me you had not got the details of her voyage or i would have added it.
Now Choccy has been wasting her time looking what was already found.

It is a very complicated family and I hope to get to the archives soon.


http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.page/board/ancestors/thread/1271319

no indication of place of birth -


Passenger lists leaving UK 1890-1960

Name: Mrs Gertrude BAKER
Date of departure: 6 December 1923
Port of departure: London
Destination port: Albany (King George Sound)
Destination country: Australia

Date of Birth: 1889 (calculated from age)
Age: 34
Marital Status: Married
Sex: Female
Occupation: Hwife
Notes:
Passenger recorded on: Page 8 of 23

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The following people with the same last name travelled on this voyage: -
Eileen BAKER

Ellen C BAKER

Mr Geo BAKER

Geo A BAKER


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Ship: DEMOSTHENES
Official Number: 129362
Master's name: Wm J Williams
Steamship Line: The Aberdeen
Where bound: Australia
Square feet: 15991
Registered tonnage: 7034
Passengers on voyage: 760



this could be her in 1911 - haven't been able to find Mary Rutherford in 1911


PEARCE, Edward Head Married M 62 1849 General Labourer Woolwich VIEW
PEARCE, Ellen Wife Married
16 years F 52 1859 Portsmouth VIEW
PEARCE, Mary Daughter Single F 12 1899 School Woolwich VIEW
PEARCE, Edward Son Single M 15 1896 Messenger Boy Woolwich VIEW
>>>>>RUTHERFORD, Gertrude Visitor Single F 22 1889 Laundress Not Known VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
2870 Reference:
RG14PN2870 RG78PN98 RD30 SD2 ED13 SN163

Registration District:
Woolwich Sub District:
Woolwich Enumeration District:
13 Parish:
Woolwich

Address:
21 Harden Street Woolwich County:
London

Hi Choccy, thanks for your help.

Yes, that's correct what you found Gertrude's family in 1924 passenger list. Thanks for it. I was hoping if it would show where Gertrude was born.

Cheers, Steven.

1911

COOK, Annie Susan Head Single F 44 1867 Care Of Children From Dc Bard Copdock Suffolk VIEW
HULL, Clara Amy Alice Boarder F 10 1901 School North Woolich Essex VIEW
ANGROVE, Elizabeth Annie Boarder F 10 1901 School Redruth Cornwall VIEW
RUTHERFORD, Harry Allen Boarder M 5 1906 Woolich Kent VIEW
WALKINSON, Minnie Boarder F 5 1906 Not Known VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
10842 Reference:
RG14PN10842 RG78PN585 RD213 SD2 ED17 SN452

Registration District:
Ipswich Sub District:
Ipswich Eastern Enumeration District:
17 Parish:
Ipswich

Address:
24 Coronation Road Ipswich County:
Suffolk

(on original the occupation of Annie Susan Cook 'care of children from Dr Barnardos')

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906

Name: Harry Allen Rutherford
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1905
Baptism Date: 18 Jul 1905
Mother's name: Gertrude Allen Rutherford
Parish or Poor Law Union: Woolwich St John
Borough: Greenwich


No father's name. Address - 27 Dicey Street.



London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906

Name: Mary Gertrude Ellen Rutherford
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1906
Baptism Date: 4 Dec 1906
Mother's name: Gertrude Rutherford
Parish or Poor Law Union: Woolwich St Mary Magdalene
Borough: Greenwich


No father's name. Address - 39 Westdale Road.

Date of birth - 12th September 1906

FMP transcription -

Passenger lists leaving UK 1890-1960

Name: Miss Mary RUTHERFORD
Date of departure: 6 December 1923
Port of departure: London
Destination port: Albany (King George Sound)
Destination country: Australia

Date of Birth: 1906 (calculated from age)
Age: 17
Marital Status:
Sex: Female
Occupation: Nil
Notes:
Passenger recorded on: Page 8 of 23

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Ship: DEMOSTHENES
Official Number: 129362
Master's name: Wm J Williams
Steamship Line: The Aberdeen
Where bound: Australia
Square feet: 15991
Registered tonnage: 7034
Passengers on voyage: 760


travelling with the Bakers - UK address - 34 Ogilby Street, Woolwich, SE8

(on the 1911 census there is an Ogilvie Street, Woolwich, not Ogilby)

Marriages Jun 1915 (>99%)
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>>>>>>Baker George Rutherford Woolwich 1d 3181
Eves Edgar W Trayte Woolwich 1d 3181
>>>>>>Rutherford Gertrude Baker Woolwich 1d 3181
Trayte Ethel Eves Woolwich 1d 3181



Births Jun 1918 (>99%)
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Baker Ellen C Rutherford Woolwich 1d 1599

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Births Jun 1920 (>99%)
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Baker George A Rutherford Woolwich 1d 2603


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Births Mar 1923 (>99%)
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Baker Eileen Rutherford Woolwich 1d 2030




Not seeing an Allen connection

Not sure about this but there is a family travelled under the name of Baker from London to Albany in 1924 and landed on
14 January. Aberdeen Line ship the Demosthenes.

George Baker 34
Gertrude Baker 34
Ellen Baker 6
George Baker 4
Eileen Baker 1
with
Mary Rutherford 17

Cannot find Allen family yet!

I don't have access in Ancestry's World Heritage for Western Australia, Australia, Crew and Passenger Lists, 1852-1930.

There are 5 Gertrude Allens from England to Albany. She was my great grandmother.

Could you please look up her with her husband, George and 3 children (inlcuding Eileen, my late grandmother) with Mary Rutherford? I want to know what Gertrude's age, place of birth, occupation, etc.

Thanks, Steven.