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This ancestor left the marital home and two sons in about 1905/6 and was never heard of again. I cannot find any divorce from his wife Clara (nee Hallam) but she did remarry in 1932 - I assume her marriage was annuled or he was declared dead. His son and grandson always wanted to know what happened to him but I was unable to find out before his grandson (my much loved father in law) died. His wife would like to have an answer to this puzzle before she too passes on. Does anyone know of Frederick and what happened to him? Maybe he emigrated, died in the war or just moved away and changed his name.... any help would be appreciated.

Location?

For INFO

Name: Frederick Arthur Sabin
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1876
Registration district: Basford
Inferred County: Nottinghamshire
Volume: 7b
Page: 175


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Marriages Dec 1901 (>99%)
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Hallam Clara Annie Basford 7b 231
Sabin Frederick Arthur Basford 7b 231

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Frederick A J Sabin
England and Wales Census, 1901

birth: 1876 —N K, Wiltshire
residence: 31 Mar 1901 —Poulton With Fearnhead, Lancashire, England
census: 31 Mar 1901 —Poulton With Fearnhead, Lancashire, England

record title: England and Wales Census, 1901
name: Frederick A J Sabin
event: Census
event date: 31 Mar 1901
gender: Male
age: 25
relationship to head of household: Boarder
birthplace: N K, Wiltshire
record type: Household
registration district: Warrington
sub-district: Latchford
ecclesiastical parish: Padgate
civil parish: Poulton With Fearnhead
county: Lancashire

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Fred Sabin
England and Wales Census, 1881

birth: 1876 —Bulwell, Nottinghamshire, England
residence: 1881 —Bulwell, Nottinghamshire, England
census: 1881 —Bulwell, Nottinghamshire, England
parents: William Sabin, Ann Sabin

record title: England and Wales Census, 1881
name: Fred Sabin
age: 5
gender: Male
birth year: 1876
birthplace: Bulwell, Nottinghamshire, England
relationship to head of household: Son
marital condition: Single
profession/occupation: Scholar
address: Quarry Road
census place: Bulwell, Nottinghamshire, England
record type: Household
family history library film: 1341795
the national archives reference: RG11
piece/folio: 3332 / 73
page number: 3

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Fredrick SABIN Head M Male 34 Ilmington, Warwick, England Ag Labourer
Mary Ann SABIN Wife M Female 30 Shipston On Stour, Worcester, England
Jane BATCHELOR Step Daur Female 8 Stratford On Avon Scholar
Emma BATCHELOR Step Daur Female 6 Loxley, Warwick, England Scholar
Fredrick SABIN Son Male 4 Ilmington, Warwick, England Scholar
John SABIN Son Male 2 Ilmington, Warwick, England


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Source Information:
Dwelling Campden Street
Census Place Ilmington, Warwick, England
Family History Library Film 1341741
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 3110 / 57
Page Number 16

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If he changed his name, you have no hope of finding info about him

Going by the name of Arthur in 1901

Arthur Satin
[Arthur Sabin]
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877
Relation: Son
Father's name: Walter Satin
Gender: Male
Where born: Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England

Civil parish: Nottingham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Leodegarius
Town: Nottingham
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Household Members: Name Age
Walter Satin 54
Arthur Satin 24
Sarah Ann Satin 22
Ellen Satin 19
Clara Satin 16
Herbert E Satin 13

If you have a copy of his wife's remarriage certificate what does it state as her status, widow ect

In 1905/6 divorce was really only the prerogative of the wealthy. Presumably as you say his son and grandson tried to find him I can only assume that they presumably believed that he was still alive at the time they did that.

1911 just for reference:
HALLAM, Mary Head Married F 59 1852 Housework Woolborough Notts VIEW
SABIN, Clara Annie Daughter Married F 33 1878 Laundress Kirkby Notts VIEW
SABIN, Fred Son M 9 1902 School Arnold Notts VIEW
SABIN, Arther Son M 6 1905 School Arnold Notts VIEW
NOTTRASS, Horace Married M 25 1886 Painter And Decorator Radford Notts VIEW
NOTTRASS, Harriett Wife Married F 26 1885 Laundress Arnold Notts VIEW
NOTTRASS, Elise May Daughter F 1 1910 Nottingham VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
20536 Reference:
RG14PN20536 RG78PN1229 RD430 SD2 ED23 SN156

Registration District:
Nottingham Sub District:
Nottingham South East Enumeration District:
23 Parish:
Nottingham

Address:
6 Brussels Terrace Nottingham County:
Nottinghamshire


What was Frederick's occupation shown as on his marriage certificate?

In 1901 from the census record he was a stoker on a stationary engine.

Death??
Frederick Sabin born @ 1878 died Nottingham 1959 3c 304.

Maryb

Hello Susan and welcome to the boards.

If you try putting William's name into the Search Trees box above, you will see that several other people possibly have him in their tree. If you find a connection, you can contact the tree owners who may know something of him. Regards. Cx.

Thanks everyone
What I know is:
Frederick Arthur born Basford Nottinghamshire 1876 son of Walter and Sarah, 5th of 9 children. Married Clara Hallam Basford 1901, had Fred 1902 and Arthur 1904/5. Various professions, Hosiery Brusher and Stoker on a Stationary Engine to name two. He disappeared from the marital home shortly after 1904/5 birth of his second son. Clara did not remarry for many years and her son Fred, and his son Alan, did try to find him to see if he was still alive or not - I haven't got the certificate for Clara's remarriage yet (in next month's budget), I have found many possible deaths for Frederick Sabins but I cannot find him in the 1911 census - I have tried various names, Fred, Frederick and Arthur (by which he seems to have been known in 190)1. Without an idea of where he went or limitless budget for numerous death certs I am a little lost. Also puzzled as to why Clara waited until 1932 to remarry (she was with Joseph Hallam long before this. I originally thought it was because she heard of his death. Unfortunately all involved have now passed on and most of the family "gossip" is through Alan's (grandson) wife. She thinks he was declared dead because of length of absence and I wonder if there is there anywhere I can check for people declared dead in absentia (no death cert issued). Does anyone know?