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Please can anyone advise me.
I am looking for my husbands Grandmother. Laura/Lily Smith .b 1887 Barnsley Yorkshire.On the 1911 census she is Laura but was know to everyone as Lily
Was married to a Mr. Baker ( Cannot find a record of the marriage) but left him to live with Charles Mapplebeck.( My Husbands Grandfather) we believe they never married ( Cannot find a record of the marriage for them either)
The first child to Charles and Laura/Lily was Caroline and was reg. as Caroline Mapplebeck Baker, they went on to have a further 12 children and the first 8 are all Mapplebeck Baker, the rest they dropped the Baker from the name.
Thank you
Moira :-S

1911 for reference

MAPPLEBECK, Charles Head Married M 39 1872 Miner Hewer Yorks Chapeltown VIEW
MAPPLEBECK, Laura Wife Married
3 years F 24 1887 Yorks Hoyland Nether VIEW
MAPPLEBECK, Caroline Daughter F 1 1910 Yorks Stairfoot VIEW
MAPPLEBECK, Edith Daughter F 0 (10 MONTHS) 1911 Yorks Stairfoot VIEW
SMITH, William Boarder Widower M 45 1866 Organ Grinder Yorks Jump VIEW
SMITH, Albert Boarder Single M 17 1894 Miner Trammer Yorks Normanton VIEW
STOTT, Leonard Boarder Single M 17 1894 Roperunner Under Ground Yorks Sheffield VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
27561 Reference:
RG14PN27561 RG78PN1578 RD507 SD2 ED2 SN200

Registration District:
Barnsley Sub District:
Barnsley Enumeration District:
2 Parish:
Ardsley

Address:
9 Hunningley Lane Stairfoot Ardsley County:
Yorkshire (West riding)

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Do you know when she died? Can you get hold of her death cert. With luck it should give you her birthday and you can work out if one of these entries on FreeBMD is correct.

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page


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Births Sep 1887 (>99%)
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SMITH Lily Barnsley 9c 206

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Births Dec 1887 (>99%)
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Smith Lilian Barnsley 9c 180


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Births Mar 1888 (>99%)
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SMITH Lillie Barnsley 9c 226

This is William and son Albert in 1901 but no Lily or Laura

Name: William Smith
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Jump, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Great Houghton
Ecclesiastical parish: Darfield All Saints
Town: Great Houghton
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

View image

Registration district: Hemsworth
Sub-registration district: Hemsworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 28
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 37
Piece: 4308
Folio: 148
Page Number: 5
Household Members:
Name Age
Edward Farmer 34
Ann Farmer 32
Kate Farmer 10
Percy Farmer 9
Florence Farmer 3
William Smith 35
Albert Smith 7

If she never likely married Mr Mapplebeck I wonder if she never divorced or was even ever married to Mr Baker. She was obviously very young to have been partnered with two men by the time she was age around 24 in 1911.

You might be more lucky if you can obtain some of the children's certificates. I also find it a puzzle that the children seem to have their father's name as a middle name and the mother's name as surname.

Good luck.

Jill

I would think it very unlikely that if she had married Mr Baker that she would have got divorced because they would not have been able to afford it. Also why would she call herself Baker if she had not married Mr Baker. It is so frustrating
Moira

Have you eliminated this possible marriage?

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Jun 1905 (>99%)
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Baker Thomas Albert Doncaster 9c 1344
RYLES Catherine Doncaster 9c 1344
SMITH Lily Doncaster 9c 1344
WARDLE Austin Doncaster 9c 1344


Perhaps someone with a sub for the 1911 could check to see if the above Austin Wardle married a Catherine?

EDIT

Using the free search facility on the 1911 Wardle did married a Catherine. So that Smith / Baker marriage could be a possibility?

On it.

J

Yup. Living Rotherham and married for 6 years. Second line of confirmation is that I found births for them on FreeBMD

Jill

This could be a poss. as they lived close to the boarder of Barnsley/ Rotherham, does it say what Thomas Baker did as a job.
Moira

The only way to know would be to buy the marriage certificate?

On the 1911 census she give her birth place as Barnsley
Moira

Try looking for trees on here. Looks like quite a few possibles.

J

thank you so much for your help.
moira :-D

Death cert Lily Mapplebeck registered Staincross West Yorks born @ 1887 died O/N/D 1940 9c 545.

Maryb.

For Ref - the William Smith that is living with the family in 1911 is listed as Bills in 1891 - (The image is Smith) - as his mother remarried. He is also listed as married in 1891 although there appears to be no wife or children present

1891

Name: William Bills
Age: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865
Relation: Son
Father's name: Thomas Bills
Mother's name: Emma Bills
Gender: Male
Where born: Jump, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Nether Hoyland
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
Town: Nether Hoyland
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

View image

Registration district: Barnsley
Sub-registration district: Darfield
ED, institution, or vessel: 19
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3780
Folio: 128
Page Number: 27
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Bills 44
Emma Bills 46
William Bills 26
Mary E Bills 19
Fred Bills 18
Richard Bills 13
Arthur Bills 11
Luther Bills 9
Violetta Bills 4
Emma J Bills 5
George Dewhurst 24

Thank you again everyone, I will keep on looking
Happy hunting all
Moira ;-)