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Hello Ginny
What can I say - amazing what you have found - it leaves me speechless !!
Did you notice that Cecily birth shows reg. in Tientsin but birth country Ireland - same with Kathleen she is reg.in Malta but birth country Ireland.Do you think that because they were British subjects that their births had to be registered this way. I know for a fact (from their relative) that they were not born in Ireland.
I'm 99% sure that the address you found for Mary Anne and the first 2 chidren on the 1901 Irish census is indeed them !!
I don't know the maiden name of Mary Anne but they must have married in 1898 in Ireland.
My Aunt (through marriage) is the adopted daughter of Elizabeth Owens.She tells me that all the children lived in Summerseat near to Bury Greater Manchester. After their marriages they all lived in the same street in Ramsbottom (apart from Thomas who I'm led to believe was killed in WW2) Eileen was the only child (apart from Elizabeth who adopted my Aunt) who went on to have any children. Margaret (my Aunt) seems to think that all the children have been buried in Ramsbottom Cemetery. It would appear that they were all strong Roman Catholics.
Should you wish to look at my Jones family tree on Ancestry you would be more than welcome and I would be pleased to give details.
I am truely amazed at your findings and can't thank you enough.
Kind Regards
Carol
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Heres the details of the childrens births. The birth certificate would confirm the mothers maiden name and the fathers name.
Out of interest, do you know where the family ended up living and when did the parents die? Dont suppose you have Mary Annes maiden name?
Ireland, Civil Registration Births Index, 1864-1958
about Patrick William Owens
Name: Patrick William Owens
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1898
Registration district: Kinsale
Birth Country: Ireland
Volume: 5
Page: 266
FHL Film Number: 101067
Ireland, Civil Registration Births Index, 1864-1958
about Mary Owens
Name: Mary Owens
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1900
Registration district: Dublin South
Birth Country: Ireland
Volume: 2
Page: 678
FHL Film Number: 101068
Ireland, Civil Registration Births Index, 1864-1958
about Eileen Owens
Name: Eileen Owens
Registration district: Dublin South
Birth Country: Ireland
Volume: 2
Page: 591
FHL Film Number: 101072
Ireland, Civil Registration Births Index, 1864-1958
about Elizabeth Owens
Name: Elizabeth Owens
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1904
Registration district: Belfast
Birth Country: Ireland
Volume: 1
Page: 174
FHL Film Number: 101070
Ireland, Civil Registration Births Index, 1864-1958
about Jane Owens
Name: Jane Owens
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1903
Registration district: Londonderry
Birth Country: Ireland
Volume: 2
Page: 179
FHL Film Number: 101069
Ireland, Civil Registration Births Index, 1864-1958
about Thomas Joseph Owens
Name: Thomas Joseph Owens
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1906
Registration district: Belfast
Birth Country: Ireland
Volume: 1
Page: 169
FHL Film Number: 101071
Ireland, Civil Registration Births Index, 1864-1958
about Kathleen Mary Owens
Name: Kathleen Mary Owens
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1909
Registration district: Malta
Birth Country: Ireland
Page: 2
FHL Film Number: 101072
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No clue from the Irish 1901
Residents of a house 8.3 in Newman's Mill (Kinsale Urban, Cork)
Owens Mary Anne 26 Female Head of Family R Catholic County of Cork House Keeper Married
Owens Patrick W 2 Male Son R Catholic County of Cork -
Owens Mary Kate 1 Female Daughter R Catholic
So Cecily wasnt born in China!
Ireland, Civil Registration Births Index, 1864-1958
about Cecily Beatrice Owens
Name: Cecily Beatrice Owens
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1910
Registration district: Tientsin
Birth Country: Ireland
Page: 19
FHL Film Number: 101073
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I wonder if this is his birth?
Ireland, Births and Baptisms, 1620-1911
about William Owens
Name: William Owens
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 1 Jul 1876
Birth Place: Dublin, Dublin, Ireland
Father's Name: William Owens
Mother's Name: Julia Connor
FHL Film Number: 255958
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Found him by scrolling through the census pages
Private William Owens age 37 Born Dublin
I'll send you the page by PM
Ive deleted the info that was wrong so as not to confuse matters!
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Institution OWENS, Cecily Beatrice Daughter F 0 (4 MONTHS) 1911 born in Tientsin North China
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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
34995 Reference:
RG14PN34995 RD641 SD20 ED4 SN9999
Registration District:
Sub District:
Enumeration District:
4 Parish:
Address:
Tientsin North China County:
Overseas military
OWENS, Lizzie Daughter F 6 1905 Belfast Co Antrim
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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
34995 Reference:
RG14PN34995 RD641 SD20 ED4 SN9999
Registration District:
Sub District:
Enumeration District:
4 Parish:
Address:
Tientsin North China
They are all on the same census page but transcribed as individules. Ive sent you the census page via a message to your in box
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They are altogether here.............Except for the husband
1911 census - household transcription
Person: OWENS, Kathleen Mary
Institution: 1st Bn Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers, 1ST BATTALION ROYAL INNISKILLING FUSILIERS, TIENTSIN, CHINA
Military details:
OWENS, Kathleen Mary Daughter F 2 1909 Malta VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
34995 Reference:
RG14PN34995 RD641 SD20 ED4 SN9999
Registration District:
Sub District:
Enumeration District:
4 Parish:
Address:
Tientsin North China County:
Overseas military
Mary..... married 13 years.........7 children born and living.
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Could anyone help me please? I am looking for the Owens family deatils
as follows -
Mother Mary Ann Owens b.abt 1880 in Ireland
son Patrick William (Billy) b. abt 1899 in Cork Ireland
daughter Mary(May) b. abt 1900 in Cork Ireland
daughter Eileen b. abt 1902
daughter Elizabeth b. abt 1904 in Belfast
daughter Jane b. abt 1904 in Co. Londonerry Ireland
son Thomas b. abt 1906 in Belfast Ireland
daughter Kathleen Mary b. 1909 in Malta
daughter Cecilia Beatrice b. 20 July 1910 in (?Tientsin Ireland)
I don't have the fathers name but I think he was in the Royal Innisskilling Fusiliers. I do know that they came over to Lancashire to live but don't know when exactly.
Any help would be greatly appreciated - thank you.
Carol
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