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8 Dec 2011 19:42 |
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HENRY YORK - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Birth: 08 MAR 1804 Gender: Male Christening: 20 MAY 1804 St George The Martyr, Southwark, London, England
Father: JAMES YORK Mother: MARY
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8 Dec 2011 18:17 |
re Brame marriage is there an image to show the fathers name? that would clinch it as Anns father was william. My only connection with the York family yo St Marys is what you have found today until i can find a birth record for the 3 brothers with James and ? as parents i'm not even going to speculate on other members of the family. There are loads of Yorks in the east end and southwark!! have looked on the IGI nad there is nothing showing for any of the brothers with a father James :-(( anyone have the parish records???
many thanks Helenxx
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8 Dec 2011 18:06 |
Birth/Christening, 1808 - 1828, England, British Isles Father: William York, Mother: Ann
JAMES YORK - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 25 DEC 1817 Saint Mary, Lewisham, London, England WILLIAM YORK - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 25 DEC 1819 Saint Mary, Lewisham, Kent, England ELIZA YORK - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 08 APR 1821 Saint Mary, Lewisham, Kent, England JEREMIAH YORK - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 24 AUG 1823 Saint Mary, Lewisham, Kent, England CHARLES YORK - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 19 FEB 1826 Saint Mary, Lewisham, Kent, England
............as you now know the family were living in St.Mary, Newington, Surrey, then I'm wondering if these could be other children, or could at least have some link to the family:-
LOUISA YORK - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Birth: 13 NOV 1815 Gender: Female Christening: 12 OCT 1828 Saint Mary, Newington, Surrey, England
CAROLINE YORK - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Birth: 08 NOV 1818 Gender: Female Christening: 12 OCT 1828 Saint Mary, Newington, Surrey, England
WILLIAM YORK - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Birth: 25 AUG 1824 Gender: Male Christening: 12 OCT 1828 Saint Mary, Newington, Surrey, England
This family in 1851, so it would be a different family:- Name: Ann York Age: 60 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1791 Relation: Head Gender: F (Female) Where born: Bloomsbury, Middlesex, England Civil parish: St Pancras County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Street Address: 13 Chesterfield Street
Occupation: House Proprietress Registration district: Pancras Sub-registration district: Grays Inn Lane ED, institution, or vessel: 7 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 195 Piece: 1495 Folio: 325 Page Number: 33 Household Members: Name Age Ann York 60 Mary Ann York 39 born: Southwark, Surrey Caroline York 32 William York 26 Sarah E Bann 19 - servant
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Catherine
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8 Dec 2011 17:33 |
Here's John Brame in 1841:-
1841 England Census about Henry Brame Name: Henry Brame Age: 35 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1806 Gender: Male Civil parish: St Mary Magdalen Bermondsey Hundred: Brixton (Eastern Division) County/Island: Surrey Country: England Street Address: Cross Street
Occupation: Porter Registration district: St Mary Magdalen Bermondsey Sub-registration district: Leather Market Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 1047 Book: 5 Folio: 39 Page Number: 23 Household Members: Name Age Henry Brame 35 Henry Brame 12
....only thing I can think of is that the marriage wasn't very successful and Ann left Henry and took back the name of York in 1841 census????
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Catherine
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7 Dec 2011 22:34 |
London, England, Freedom of the City Admission Papers, 1681-1925 Name: Henry Jones Brame Birth Date: 1804 Admission Date: 1825 Father's Name: John Brame
Name: Henry Jones Brame Spouse Name: Susannah Grant Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 1 Aug 1826 Parish: St George in the East Borough: Tower Hamlets Register Type: Parish Register
Name: Henry Jones Brame (widower) Spouse Name: Mary Ann Davis Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 28 Oct 1827 Parish: St George in the East Borough: Tower Hamlets Register Type: Parish Register
ame: Henry Jones Brame Spouse Name: Ann York Record Type: Banns Event Date: 15 Jun 1834 - 1st Jun 1834 - 8th Jun 1834 Parish: St George the Martyr Borough: Southwark Register Type: Parish Register
Name: Henry Jones Brame Age: Full Age Estimated Birth Year: abt 1843 Occupation:- Fellowship - Porter Widower Spouse Name: Ellen Garrod Widow Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 13 Mar 1843 Parish: Newington St Mary Borough: Southwark Father Name: John Brame Register Type: Parish Register Address:- Dean Street
Name: Henry Jones Brame Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1863 Registration district: Newington Inferred County: London Volume: 1d Page: 162
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Catherine
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7 Dec 2011 21:33 |
1851 England Census about Jeremiah York Name: Jeremiah York Age: 26 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1825 Relation: Prisoner Gender: M (Male) Where born: Lewisham, Kent, England Civil parish: West Ham Ecclesiastical parish: Church Street Town: Church Street County/Island: Essex Country: England Street Address: West Ham Lane Police Station
Occupation: Wadding Maker
Condition as to marriage: Married
Registration district: West Ham Sub-registration district: West Ham ED, institution, or vessel: 1b Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 48 Piece: 1768 Folio: 360 Page Number: 14
............so it looks to be the son of Henry that was the naughty boy.
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Catherine
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7 Dec 2011 21:28 |
Name: Jeremiah York Age: 21 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1827 Date of Trial: 3 Jul 1848 Trial Year: 1848 Location of Trial: Surrey, England Sentence: Fine £10 + ?? Crime: Assault Date of Execution or Release: also with him is James York aged 31yrs
Name: Jeremiah York Date of Trial: 8 Jan 1855 Trial Year: 1855 Location of Trial: Middlesex, England Sentence: Imprisonment 4mths Crime: Simple Larceny Date of Execution or Release:
Name: Jeremiah York Date of Trial: 13 Aug 1855 Trial Year: 1855 Location of Trial: Middlesex, England Sentence: Imprisonment 12mths Crime: Simple Larceny Date of Execution or Release:
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Catherine
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7 Dec 2011 21:07 |
There appears to be 2 Jeremiah Yorks. This ones father is Henry York:-
Name: Jeremiah York Record Type: Baptism Estimated Birth Date: abt 1830 Baptism Date: 20 Jun 1830 Father's Name: Henry York Mother's Name: Elizabeth York Parish or Poor Law Union: Lambeth St Mary Borough: Lambeth Register Type: Parish Registers
1841 England Census about Jermiah York Name: Jermiah York Age: 13 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1828 Gender: Male Where born: Middlesex, England Civil parish: St Leonard Shoreditch Hundred: Ossulstone (Tower Division) County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Street Address:
Occupation: Registration district: Shoreditch Sub-registration district: St Leonard Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 709 Book: 5 Folio: 4 Page Number: 1 Household Members: Name Age Jermiah York 13 Henry York 4 Julia York 6 MO Cranris Groves 60
Other household members:- Henry York abt 1806 St Leonard Shoreditch, Middlesex Occupation:- Wadding Manufacturer Sarah York abt 1816 St Leonard Shoreditch, Middlesex Anna York abt 1826 Middlesex, England St Leonard Shoreditch, Middlesex Frances York abt 1826 Middlesex, England St Leonard Shoreditch, Middlesex
Name: Jeremiah York Age: 22 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1828 Occupation:- Wadding Manufacturer Spouse Name: Ann Turner Spouse Age: 22 Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 31 Mar 1850 Parish: Haggerston St Mary Borough: Hackney Father Name: Henry York Occupation:- Wadding Manufacturer Spouse Father Name: Gavin Turner Register Type: Parish Register
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7 Dec 2011 21:03 |
1851 England Census Name: Jeremiah York Age: 28 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1823 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Caroline York Gender: M (Male) Where born: Lewisham, Kent, England Civil parish: Bethnal Green Ecclesiastical parish: St Philip County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Street Address: 2 Cross Street
Occupation: Wading Traveller Registration district: Bethnal Green Sub-registration district: Hackney Road ED, institution, or vessel: 1 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 204 Piece: 1539 Folio: 24 Page Number: 40 Household Members: Name Age Jeremiah York 28 Caroline York 21 born: Horsebydown Sarah York 1
1861 Hannah York Caroline abt 1832 Lewisham, Kent, England Head Shoreditch St Leonard, Middlesex (record is damaged, but name is Jeremiah) Caroline York Hannah abt 1830 Hoesbydum Wife Shoreditch St Leonard, Middlesex William York abt 1852 Shoreditch, Middlesex, England Son Shoreditch St Leonard, Middlesex Ann York abt 1853 Shoreditch, Middlesex, England Daughter Shoreditch St Leonard, Middlesex Charles York abt 1856 Shoreditch, Middlesex, England Son Shoreditch St Leonard, Middlesex Caroline abt 1858 Shoreditch, Middlesex, England Daughter Shoreditch St Leonard, Middlesex
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7 Dec 2011 20:49 |
1841 1841 England Census about Ann York Name: Ann York Age: 40 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1801 Gender: Female Civil parish: St Mary Magdalen Bermondsey Hundred: Brixton (Eastern Division) County/Island: Surrey Country: England Street Address:
Occupation: Registration district: St Mary Magdalen Bermondsey Sub-registration district: Leather Market Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 1047 Book: 1 Folio: 33 Page Number: 14 Household Members: Name Age Ann York 40 William York 20 Eliza York 20 Jeremiah York 15 Charles York 15 Ann York 9
Name: William York [Willaim York] Record Type: Baptism Estimated Birth Date: abt 1819 Baptism Date: 25 Dec 1819 Father's Name: William York occupation:- Weaver Mother's Name: Ann York Parish or Poor Law Union: Lewisham St Mary Borough: Lewisham Register Type: Parish Registers Address:- Leather Mills
Name: Eliza York Record Type: Baptism Estimated Birth Date: abt 1821 Baptism Date: 8 Apr 1821 Father's Name: William York occupation:- Skin ?? Mother's Name: Ann York Parish or Poor Law Union: Lewisham St Mary Borough: Lewisham Register Type: Parish Registers Address: Leather Mills
Name: Jeremiah York Record Type: Baptism Estimated Birth Date: abt 1823 Baptism Date: 24 Aug 1823 Father's Name: William York occupation:- Weaver Mother's Name: Ann York Parish or Poor Law Union: Lewisham St Mary Borough: Lewisham Register Type: Parish Registers Address:- Village
Name: Charles York Record Type: Baptism Estimated Birth Date: abt 1826 Baptism Date: 19 Feb 1826 Father's Name: William York occupation:- Weaver Mother's Name: Ann York Parish or Poor Law Union: Lewisham St Mary Borough: Lewisham Register Type: Parish Registers Address:- Village
Name: Ann York Record Type: Baptism Estimated Birth Date: abt 1832 Baptism Date: 6 May 1832 Father's Name: William York occupation:- Wadding Maker Mother's Name: Ann York Parish or Poor Law Union: Bermondsey St Mary Magdalene Borough: Southwark Register Type: Parish Registers Address:- Ship and Mermaid Row
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Catherine
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7 Dec 2011 20:23 |
London, England, Poor Law Records, 1834-1940
It would appear that William's wife was called Ann and his father was called James. They married in 1815 at Lee in Kent and on the 11th June 1828 they had six children aged:- James 11yrs. William 9yrs Eliza 7yrs Jeremiah 4yrs Charles 2yrs and Mary 7 wks. It would appear that on the above date, William was confined in Horsemonger Lane for Debt and Ann and William's father were obliged to make a statement to the Justice of the Peace. I will try and send a copy by pm.
WILLIAM YORK - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Marriage: 15 APR 1816 Lee, Kent, England Spouse: ANN CLARE
Name: Willm York Record Type: Burial Estimated Death Date: abt 1832 Burial Date: 20 May 1832 Age: 37 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1795 Parish or Poor Law Union: Bermondsey St Mary Magdalene Borough: Southwark Register Type: Parish Register Address:- Ship and Mermaid Row
looks like Ann remarried:-
Name: Ann York (widow) Spouse Name: Henry Jones Brame (widower) Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 24 Jul 1834 Parish: St George the Martyr Borough: Southwark Register Type: Parish Register
...........but then why was she still York in 1841 census????
Death record:- Name: Ann Brame Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1842 Registration district: Bermondsey Inferred County: London Volume: 4 Page: 16
???? (see below for more details on Henry Jone Brame)
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MarieCeleste
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7 Dec 2011 19:43 |
For reference, is this Henry in 1841?
YORK, Henry M 35 1806 << Wadding maker YORK, Sarah F 25 1816 YORK, Anna F 15 1826 Middlesex YORK, Frances M 15 1826 Middlesex
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Registration District: Shoreditch Civil Parish: St Leonard Shoreditch Municipal Borough: Tower Hamlets
Address: Norfolk Gardens, St Leonard Shoreditch, Tower Hamlets County: Middlesex
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7 Dec 2011 19:36 |
Helen, who did they marry and when/where? We might be able to trace something that way. - or have you already seen the marriage records?
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helenhedgehog
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7 Dec 2011 19:02 |
HI i have what appear to be 3 brothers living in Lee and Lewisham in Kent c1815 they don't seem to have been born there or in neighbouring villages and then William YORK bc1795 dies in 1832 southwark and his brother Henry bc1803 is living in shoreditch and tower hamlets on the 1841/51 there is also another brother James bc1790. I have tried in vain to find out who there parents were and wondered if there were any settlement records for this time period online that might help?? All 3 marry in lee/lewisham and have children there and give the same or neighbouring addresses on the church records. many thanks Helenx
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