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The birth certificate is dated 20/11/1862.
William Henry Pearson.
Mother- Maria Pearson formerly Castleman.
Father William Pearson-General Labourer.
Address- 17 Lucan Place. Hoxton Old Town.
Registed- 30/12/1862

The baptiism was 1/3/1863 -St Leonards Shoreditch (address 17 Newton Place).

Arthur born 1864/5 and Walter born c1867 are brothers to William.but
1/. Why was William baptised in C of E church yet brothers in Chapel?
2/.Proved Williams mother was Castleman but is this the same Maria, mother of Arthur and Walter.-as ? re 20/11 and 27/11 birth.
3/. Was there another Wiliam baptised in the Chapel?
4/. Is there a way to find mothers maiden name for Arthur and Walter without exact birth date..
Thanks

The birth certificate is dated 20/11/1862.
William Henry Pearson.
Mother- Maria Pearson formerly Castleman.
Father William Pearson-General Labourer.
Address- 17 Lucan Place. Hoxton Old Town.
Registed- 30/12/1862

The baptiism was 1/3/1863 -St Leonards Shoreditch (address 17 Newton Place).

Arthur born 1864/5 and Walter born c1867 are brothers to William.but
1/. Why was William baptised in C of E church yet brothers in Chapel?
2/.Proved Williams mother was Castleman but is this the same Maria, mother of Arthur and Walter.-as ? re 20/11 and 27/11 birth.
3/. Was there another Wiliam baptised in the Chapel?
4/. Is there a way to find mothers maiden name for Arthur and Walter without exact birth date..
Thanks

London, England, Non-conformist Registers, 1694-1921
Name: Arthur Pearson
Event Type: Baptism
Event Date: 9 Feb 1868
Church: Pavement Chapel
Burough: Hackney
County: Middlesex
Father: William Pearson
Mother: Maria Pearson

Also Walter, baptised at the same time

BIrth date on the baptism is 27 Nov 1862. The baptism date would have been anytime after this.....the GRO should have the birth date

Address is 17 Newton Place

Father: Labourer



What are the details on the certificate that you received?



England & Wales Marriages, 1538-1940
Name: William Pearson
Gender: Male
Father's Name: William Pearson
Spouse's Name: Maria Castleman
Spouse's Father's Name: William Castleman
Marriage Date: 19 Sep 1859
Marriage Place: Chingford, Essex, England

When requesting birthcert from GRO I asked for the 27/11/1862. but got 20th.
Could they have moved as baptism was 1/3/1863.
Both mothers Maria
Birth Cert -mother Maria Castleman.
Only thing I can think of is to get birth cert of other children to check mothers maiden name, but only have birth year.
Any ideas how I can check further.
Thanks

MarieCeleste-thanks
The certificate shows father as General Labourer but the address is shown as 17 Lucan Place?

Barry, what is the father's occupation and where were they living when the birth was registered?

That info can then be used to cross reference to the baptism.

On the baptism that Patchem posted they were living 17 Newton Place, William's occupation looks like labourer.

The birthdate written in the margin appears to be 27 Nov 1862.

Hi Patchem,
Thanks your previous help.
I have now obtained a birth Cert. dated 20 Nov 1862. Father William -mother Maria (nee Castleman).You said you saw a note in the margin showing birth date as 22 Nov 1862.. Do you think this is the same William. I do not have the birthdates of any of their other children to check if Castleman was their mothers maiden name. Would greatly appreciate any advice which may help.
Thanks and regards
Barry

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A pity Barry hasn't had time to ckeck the info provided.........................

Birth is Nov 22 1862 written in margin:
William Henry Pearson
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1863
Baptism Date: 1 Feb 1863
Father's Name: William Pearson
Mother's Name: Maria Pearson
Parish or Poor Law Union: Shoreditch St Leonard
Borough: Hackney
Register Type: Parish Registers

Births Dec 1862
PEARSON William Henry Shoreditch 1c 180

The fourth person on the freebmd record

JONES Mary Islington 1b 50_

OK......1871

Name: William Pearson ***************LABOURER
Age: 33
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Marie Pearson
Gender: Male
Where born: St Luke, Middlesex, England
Civil parish: St Leonard Shoreditch
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints Haggerstone
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Shoreditch
Sub-registration district: Haggerston West
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Household schedule number: 49
Piece: 466
Folio: 42
Page Number: 8
Household Members: Name Age
William Pearson 33
Marie Pearson 33 b. Islington*************LAUNDRESS
Annie Pearson 10
William Pearson 8
Arthur Pearson 6
Walter Pearson 3
Louisa Pearson 2

AND...............................................................................

Name: William Pearson ****************Manufacturer
Age: Full Age
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Spouse Name: Mary Jones
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 7 May 1857
Parish: Islington St Mary
Borough: Islington
Father Name: William Pearson ***********Manufacturer
Spouse Father Name: Daniel Jones*********Gentleman
Register Type: Parish Register

Groom's residence: Broughton, Manchester

Bride's residence: Grange Road, Canonbury

Witness: Daniel Jones & Sarah Maria Jones

Ignore what 'someone' told you.........do the research yourself, as far as possible

Or give some factual info on here so that we can look for you

Who is your KNOWN relation?

No guesses.........please.

You obtain certs from the GRO.......on line at

http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/

You quote all the info from the index, and pay £9.25 for each cert

I sent following to Margee.
Sorry, My William Pearson also married a Maria in the same period.
Someone told me she was Maria Sargent b 1838 Islington. 1841 shows her living with parents Jacob and Amelia. 1851 shows her as Maria Surgent and her father as Jacob Saryens.
As I do not have exact date of marriage for William or exact birth date of son William I do not know how to ger Certs.
I thought someone may have had further info on who Wiliam did marry.

Barry has managed to return to his previous postings as he replied in the thread that the link referred to.
Sorry, Margee, answering on auto-pilot.

And, to repeat what I said there:
If William, 1863, is your great grandfather, what are his parents' names from his birth certificate?

Hello Barry

To find all your previous postings click on
My Threads
on the left hand side or the link that Margee has given

good luck on your searching

Barry, I had given you that information on your previous thread. Did you not believe me?

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.page/board/genealogy_chat/thread/1287584

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
Name: Maria Sargent
Spouse Name: Benjamin Culley Milkman
Spouse Age: Full Age
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 6 May 1857
Parish: Islington St Mary
Borough: Islington
Father Name: William Sargent Labourer
Spouse Father Name: John Culley Labourer
Register Type: Parish Register

From ancestry:
Maria Sargent
Spouse Name: Benjamin Culley Spouse Age: Full Age
Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 6 May 1857
Parish: Islington St Mary Borough: Islington
Father Name: William Sargent
Spouse Father Name: John Culley
Register Type: Parish Register

Have you got an age and place of birth for Maria, to make identification easier?
Thanks