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Just a possible scenario......
John Fraser and Margaret Tilley marry and have children including Ann Norra.
John dies and Margaret marries John Hamilton and almost immediately has a daughter Ellen.
Ellen marries Charles Boyd and some time after 1911 dies.
Charles then marries Ann Norra.

Like I said, just a thought.
:-S

Well,it's a mystery all right. Here are a few pieces of the puzzle. I'm not making much sense out of it,but I have a head cold and barely know which way is up....

Births
Ann Norra Fraser June 1859 Father John Fraser Occ:Shoemaker Journeyman and Margaret nee Tully. Can't read the address.
John and Margaret Tilley's marriage (1855,ithink) is on the Old Family Search as well as Ann Norra's birth and that of a brother William (forgot the year).

Marriage
After Banns Dec 27th 1878 at Glasgow. Charles Boyd Shoemaker Journeyman age 21 and Ellen Hamilton Boot machinist age 19.
He of 136 Gallowgate? Glasgow son of William Boyd and May Ann nee Kian** ?
She of 8 St Mungo street Glasgow daughter of John Hamilton Boot Maker (journeyman dec'd and Margaret nee Tilley (dec'd). Witnesses Thomas Leckie? and Susan Boyd.

Death
Ann Norra Boyd widow of Charles Boyd died age 79 Aug. 31 1938 at 12 Pine Street Glasgow. Father John Fraser shoemaker (dec'd) and Margaret nee Tully (dec'd). Informant was Susan Boyd daughter.

Maureen

For info...This is on the other thread...

Hello again Ann , I've just looked up the 1911 census and Helen H Boyd wife is still with Charles and family @ 4 Silverfir St. Record shows at that time they had been married 32 years. Regards Jim Boyd

Ann, do you have your mother's birth certificate with her mother's maiden name? Where did you get the name Ann Norra Fraser?

And in 1881?

1881 Scotland Census
about Chas Boyd Name: Chas Boyd
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Relationship: Son
Father's Name: Chas Boyd
Mother's Name: Helen Boyd
Gender: Male
Where born: Glasgow, Lanarkshire
Registration number: 644/4
Registration district: Calton
Civil parish: Glasgow Barony
County: Lanarkshire
ED: 38
Household schedule number: 135
Line: 7
Roll: cssct1881_224
Household Members: Name Age
Chas Boyd 22
Helen Boyd 21
Chas Boyd 1

Same family in 1891:

1891 Scotland Census
about Susan Boyd Name: Susan Boyd
Age: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1885
Relationship: Daur (Daughter)
Father's Name: Charles Boyd
Mother's Name: Helen Boyd
Gender: Female
Where born: Ayr, Ayr
Registration number: 605
Registration district: Maybole
Civil parish: Maybole
Town: Maybole
County: Ayrshire
Address: 10 Weaver Vennel
Occupation: Scholar
ED: 4
Household schedule number: 16
Line: 6
Roll: CSSCT1891_212
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Boyd 32
Helen Boyd 30
Charles Boyd Jr 11
Margaret Boyd 10
William Boyd 8
Susan Boyd 6
John Boyd 5
James Boyd 7 Moths

A PM from Ann says her mother was Frances Boyd born 1901, Glasgow. I think she was probably born after the census and this is the family in 1901:

1901 Scotland Census
about Charles Boyd Name: Charles Boyd
Age: 42
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Helen Boyd
Gender: Male
Where born: Glasgow, Lanarkshire
Registration number: 644/11
Registration district: Hutchesontown
Civil parish: Glasgow Govan
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 4 Silverfir St
Occupation: Boot Trade Rough Stuff Cutter
ED: 67
Household schedule number: 150
Line: 23
Roll: CSSCT1901_311
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Boyd 42
Helen Boyd 40
Charles Boyd 21
William Boyd 18
Susan Boyd 16
John Boyd 15
James Boyd 11
Mary Boyd 9
Helen Boyd 5

Ann has pm'd me to say that she has deleted her threads. She hasn't.

I have advised her to return here to answer your questions.

Not an easy thread to follow.



Hi Flick ~~~~~~~~~~~

If she's your grandmother, Ann, what's the name of her child from whom you descend? And when and where was he/she born?

Clear as mud.............lol!

~~~~~~~~waves to Cynthia

This may help............


http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.page/board/genealogy_chat/thread/1231358

:-S

Ann
If Ellen was born in 1861 and Ann Nora was born in 1859, what makes you think they are the same person?
I'm not sure that I understand.....

Are you sure you have the right person .Seems odd to switch around names

Have you searched back from any children they had.Their birth certs will give mums name and the date the parents married , Scottish certs have so much more info that English/Welsh ones

Grandmothers 2 names

Sorry about that folks my grandmothers two names where ellen hamilton &


ann norra fraser married surname boyd she married as ellen hamilton &
died as ann norra now somone on this sight has told me to go to scotlands
pople i have tried without success my gran was born on 1861 as ellen &
i have ann norras birth certificate 1859 so how you work that out ido not know husbands name charles boyd 1857 Ann

Not sure how you think anyone could help unless you give some info..............

A bit more info would be good Ann.

Maryb

can anyone help I have tried dont know what else to do Ann.