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Hi
I have just found that my grandfather had an older sister Lucy who was (presumably) born in 1859 as she was baptised on 1 January 1860.

I have tracked her in the census of 1861 when she was with her mother Lucy (Puttock) living with her grandmother and in the 1871 census when she was living with her aunt and uncle William and Emma Bridger (Puttock).

But then she disappears and I can find no trace of her in census records, marriages or death registrations.

If anyone could help solve this mystery for me I would be most grateful.

Cheers
John

Just putting this for reference as you had not stated area:
1861 England Census
Lucy Walters Age: 1 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Relation: Granddaughter Mother's Name: Lucy Walters
Gender: Female Where born: Shere, Surrey, England
Civil parish: Shere
County/Island: Surrey Country: England
Registration district: Guildford Sub-registration district: Albury
ED, institution, or vessel: 3 Household schedule number: 138 Piece: 426 Folio: 46 Page Number: 24
Ann Puttock 65
Emma Puttock 26
Lucy Walters 24
Lucy Walters 1
Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 426; Folio: 46; Page: 24; GSU roll: 542635.
Could not see actual image to verify.

LUCY WALTERS
Christening: 01 JAN 1860 Shere, Surrey, England
Father: WILLIAM WALTERS Mother: LUCY C013774

Cannot see birth in free bmd.

Would this be her parent's marriage?

Marriages Jun 1859
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Hay Henry William Whitechapel 1c 766
Puttock Lucy Whitechapel 1c 766 *****
Walters William Whitechapel 1c 766 ****
Wright Mary Whitechapel 1c 766

Dea x

Marriage details:

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Lucy Putrock
Name: Lucy Putrock
Spouse Name: William - Soldier
Spouse Age: Full Age
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 15 May 1859
Parish: Whitechapel St Mary
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: William Putrock - Blacksmith
Spouse Father Name: Richard Walters - Shoe Maker
Register Type: Parish Register

Address for groom - Tomer?? St, Whitechapel
Address for bride - St. Mary, Kensington

Witnesses:
Charles George Francis + Samuel Wilkinson.

Dea x

I was wondering if Lucy Snr perhaps remarried and little Lucy took on stepfather's name?

I have found Lucy Snr as a servant in 1871 and she is a widow.

Dea x

John,
Who is your grandfather?
Thanks.

just checked and lucy c bridges born norwood 1858 is with her family in 1861 they are visitors with eliza barnett in lambeth so not her.

It was worth a try though allotment.

I cannot see either of the lucy's on 1881 yet !!!

Dea x

If John returns and explains who his grandfather was, it might make things a lot clearer.

patchem i was going to ask that i found a lucy in suffolk 1871 a widow born could be shere but has a i in it so checked again and found a lucy walters married zebedee croker westminster 1865 he was a soldier in 1871 in 1881 lucy was a patient in st thomas hospital lambeth

CROKER, Lucy Patient Married F 45 1836 Brewers Labourers Wife
Shere
Surrey


CROKER, Zebedee Head Married M 45 1836 Brewers Drayman
Butcombe
Somerset VIEW

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Piece:
605 Folio:
43 Page:
16 Registration District:
Lambeth

Civil Parish:
Lambeth Municipal Borough:
Address:
1, Wheatsheaf Lane, Lambeth County:
London, Surrey

could be her but could find no children so may not be her.

keep looking at this one -


Marriages Dec 1865 (>99%)
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>>>>Croker Zebedee Westminster 1a 722
Haywood Sarah Westminster 1a 722
>>>>Walters Lucy Westminster 1a 722

one of many -


1881


CROKER, Lucy Patient Married F 45 1836 Brewers Labourers Wife
Shere
Surrey


Piece:
592 Folio:
134 Page:
21 Registration District:
Lambeth

Civil Parish:
Lambeth Municipal Borough:
Address:
St Thomas Hospital, Lambeth County:
London, Surrey





EDIT - beat me to it !

1881

CROKER, Zebedee Head Married M 45 1836 Brewers Drayman
Butcombe
Somerset VIEW

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Piece:
605 Folio:
43 Page:
16 Registration District:
Lambeth

Civil Parish:
Lambeth Municipal Borough:
Address:
1, Wheatsheaf Lane, Lambeth County:
London, Surrey

We really need some info from John as this doesn't add up!

John's grandfather 'would appear' to have the surname Walters BUT I don't then see how, if he had the same surname as his sister Lucy, they would be 'half' siblings, unless Lucy had a child with another man while she still had the same surname.

I had seen the Croker marriage and Lucy in the hospital in 1881 but there should be a child around somewhere who I cannot see?

I am sure we are on the right track but could well be wasting our time without some more info.

Dea x

But I want a grandfather called Zebedee.

In the marriage found William Walters is a soldier, so if overseas is not showing on censuses, so children not obvious?

Added:
John has a William Walters, 1861, born Guildford Surrey in his tree.

And he has a previous thread about his family as I have been in contact with him before.

Previous information found:
William doesn't appear in the censuses in the decades when he could have married his first wife, I suspect because he was a soldier and was overseas in India and Burma with his regiment (Queens Royal Regiment).
He does appear in the 1901 census and he was out of the army at that time having served his 21 years. By that time his first wife was dead and he did not have the care of his children by them.

1861 Army Index ??

First Name(s)Zebedee
Last NameCroker
Number1130
RankPrivate
Unit1st Foot Guards (Grenadier)
Regiment Stationed at:Dublin; Curragh; Aldershot; Tower of London; Windsor
National Archives reference:WO12 / 1641

Dea x

It is Lucy Walters that John wants information on.

You are all terrifying! You are so good and so quick!

But just to clarify or perhaps restate what you already know.

My grandfather was William Walters and he was born in 1861 in Shere Surrey. His mother was Lucy Puttock but Lucy's husband and William's father was by then dead having died in May of that year. Just to make matters a little more difficult he too was a William Walters and a soldier in the Grenadier Guards.

I had just found out that the Lucy Walters the subject of my question was born in 1859 and was my grandfather's older sister and William and Lucy's first born.

The marriage of a Lucy Walters to Zebedee Croker in 1865 is intriguing. Particularly as in the 1881 census she says she was born in Shere Surrey. But it is difficult to reconcile her with William's widow as a Lucy Walters, a widow, appears in the 1871 census as a cook for a family in Suffolk and her son William (grandfather) was apparently boarding with the Overington family found by allotment. If she did marry Zebedee why was her son not with her?

It seems the mystery of Lucy Walters born 1859 continues...

But thank you all for your wonderful researches and help.

And if you want a real challenge try and identify my grandfather's William grandfather who was identified by Lucy's husband in their marriage certificate as one Richard Walters a shoemaker. As far as I can establish his mother Ann Walters was never married and there was no Richard Walters. But there was a Richard Cock who was a shoemaker who lived in the next door hamlet to Ann.....

Thanks again for all your help.

Cheers
John