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Thank you safc for Caroline Hardiman's mother's maiden name and date of Mary's marriage. All I need to do now is to sort out the birth dates of the one or two Caroline Hardimans between 1818 and 1822.

Regards

Denis

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County Somerset
Place Taunton
Church St Mary
RegisterNumber
MarriageDate 16 Nov 1809
GroomForename William
GroomSurname HARDIMAN
GroomAge
GroomParish
GroomCondition Unknown
GroomOccupation
GroomAbode
BrideForename Mary
BrideSurname GOODMAN
BrideAge
BrideParish
BrideCondition
BrideOccupation
BrideAbode
GroomFatherForename
GroomFatherSurname
GroomFatherOccupation
BrideFatherForename
BrideFatherSurname
BrideFatherOccupation
WitnessOneForename
WitnessOneSurname
WitnessTwoForename
WitnessTwoSurname
Notes
FileNumber 12246

Thanks for all your replies in this thread.

I was interested in the message from 'safc' in which Caroline Hardiman was apparently baptised on 12/07/1818 at St Mary's Church in Taunton. However according to our records our Caroline was born in Taunton c1821/2. Certainly the parents are the same. We are wondering whether the earlier Caroline died and a subsequent sibling was also named Caroline. Is there anyone who can check this for me please. Also I would like to know Caroline's mother's maiden name, her first name being Mary and born c1781. In addition if anyone knows when and where Caroline's parents married.

Thanks in anticipation

Denis Wright

extra information from Susan Hardiman's marriage certificate


Name: Susan Hardiman
Spouse Name: Stephen Penny
Spouse Age: Full Age
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 31 Jul 1842
Parish: St Pancras Parish Chapel
Borough: Camden
Spouse Father Name: Stephen J Penny

from image:-

Stephen
Of Full Age
Bachelor
Occupation:- Shoemaker
Address:- Cumberland Street
Fatehr occupation:- deceased

Susan
of Full Age
Spinster
no occupation shown
Address:- Cumberland Street
Father occupation:- deceased

Witnesses:- Samuel Hardiman and Mary Hardiman (her mark)


London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about Stephen Penny

Name: Stephen Penny
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1821
Baptism Date: 10 Jun 1821
Father's Name: Stephen James Penny
Mother's Name: Sarah Ann Penny
Parish or Poor Law Union: St George Hanover Square
Borough: Westminster
Register Type: Bishop's Transcript

from image:-

Address:- Randagh (???sp) Place
Father occupation:- Tailor




sylvia

Denis


The question you asked me re how Caroline and William might have met .............. the Hardimans moved up to London, for whatever reason.

Just to confirm what RutlandBelle said ... the other names on the 1841 Census as posted by Astra have no relevance to you. The address is Colville Court, and it looks like some sort of tenement, with lots of people living in separate lodgings or rooms.


This is the version of the 1841 Census from ancestry


I should point out that the ages of all persons over the age of 15 were supposed to be rounded down to the nearest 5 ........ most enumerators did do this, a few did not.

so someone shown as age 60, would actually be somewhere between 60 and 64

You should always be aware of this fact


1841 Census

Name: Mary Hardman
Age: 60
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1781
Gender: Female

Civil parish: St Pancras
Hundred: Ossulstone (Holborn Division)
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Registration district: St Pancras
Sub-registration district: Tottenham

Mary Hardman 60, not born in county, Charwoman
Caroline Hardman 20 b.ca 1821, not born in county
Susan Hardman 17 b.ca 1824, not born in county

Address:- Colville Court





sylvia

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County Somerset
Place Taunton
Church St Mary
RegisterNumber
DateOfBirth
BaptismDate 12 Jul 1818
Forename Caroline
Sex -
FatherForename William
MotherForename Mary
FatherSurname HARDIMAN
MotherSurname
Abode East St.
FatherOccupation Shoemaker
Notes
FileNumber 12216

1841 address is Colville Court. Mary, Caroline and Susan Hardiman are all born out of county. Don't think any of the other names are relevant

Hello Astra,

Thanks for information and all your hard work. Sorry for the delay in responding but I have been away from my computer for a few days.

Do you have an address for the Hardiman family in 1841? There seems to be a lot of different surnames in that dwelling according to your list {presumably mostly unrelated}?! However you certainly have the correct Hardimans that I am currently investigating.

THanks again

Kind regards

Denis Wright

The witnesses on Caroline's marriage certificate to William Wright were John and Mary Vian


This marriage is on ancestry


London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about John Nine

Name: John Nine
[John Vian]
Spouse Name: Mary Ann Hardaman
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 19 May 1833
Parish: Westminster St Anne Soho
Borough: Westminster
Register Type: Bishop's Transcript

Witnesses:- William Hardiman and Mary Furneaux



It is VINE on the certificate ...... but John could not write.

Both Mary Ann and William signed Hardiman


1851 Census

Name: John Vian
Age: 45
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1806
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary Ann Vian
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Plymouth Dock, Devon, England

Civil parish: St Pancras
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Registration district: Pancras
Sub-registration district: Tottenham Court

John Vian 45 Tailor
Mary Ann Vian 46 b.ca 1805, Saunton (Taunton), Somerset
John Vian 17
Emma Vian 13
Mary Ann Vian 11
William Vian 9
Samuel Vian 7
Jane Vian 5
Edward Vian 3
William Bolt 43

Address:- 12 Gresse Street (???sp)




sylvia

Can't find Mary in 1851 so this may be her death

Deaths Mar 1847 (>99%)
Hardiman Mary St Pancras 1 327

mother's burial ??

Name: Mary Hardiman
Record Type: Burial
Estimated Death Date: abt 1865
Burial Date: 28 Aug 1865
Age: 77
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1788
Parish or Poor Law Union: Kensal Green All Souls
Borough: Kensington and Chelsea
Register Type: Bishop's Transcript

Possible brother

HARDIMAN, William Head Married M 35 1816 Shoe Maker
Taunton
Somersetshire VIEW
HARDIMAN, Isabella Wife Married F 34 1817 Shoe Binder
St Pancras
Middlesex VIEW

Address:
4, Tuckers Rents, Saint Pancras, Marylebone County:
Middlesex

this is her sister Susan says father William Hardiman deceased

Name: Susan Hardiman
Spouse Name: Stephen Penny
Spouse Age: Full Age
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 31 Jul 1842
Parish: St Pancras Parish Chapel
Borough: Camden
Spouse Father Name: Stephen J Penny

1851 England Census about Caroline Wright
Name: Caroline Wright
Age: 29
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1822
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: William Wright
Gender: F (Female)
Where born: Taunton, Somerset, England<<<<<<<<<<
Civil parish: St Pancras
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

View image
Registration district: Pancras
Sub-registration district: Regents Park
ED, institution, or vessel: 19
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 31
Piece: 1493
Folio: 758
Page Number: 7
Household Members:
Name Age
William Wright 30
Caroline Wright 29
William Wright 7
Charlotte Wright 5
John Wright 3
Henry Wright 1

1841

DEW, David M 42 1799 VIEW
DEW, Catherine F 40 1801 Middlesex VIEW
DEW, William M 17 1824 Middlesex VIEW
DEW, John M 11 1830 Middlesex VIEW
DEW, Thomas M 8 1833 Middlesex VIEW
COWIE, David M 25 1816 Scotland VIEW
COWIE, George M 15 1826 Scotland VIEW
HARDIMAN, Mary F 60 1781 VIEW
HARDIMAN, Caroline F 20 1821 VIEW
HARDIMAN, Susan F 17 1824 VIEW
DALE, John M 54 1787 Middlesex VIEW
BLAKE, John M 29 1812 Middlesex VIEW
HAYES, Thomas M 64 1777 VIEW
THOMPSON, Henry M 18 1823 Middlesex VIEW
Piece:
686 Book/Folio:
3/47 Page:
2 Registration District:
St Pancras

Civil Parish:
St Pancras Municipal Borough:
Marylebone Address:
Colville Court, St Pancras, Marylebone County:
Middlesex

her father was William Hardiman occ: Shoe maker


Name: Caroline Hardiman
Age: Full Age
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1843
Spouse Name: William Wright
Spouse Age: Full Age
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 19 Mar 1843
Parish: Westminster St Anne Soho
Borough: Westminster
Father Name: Willm Hardiman
Spouse Father Name: Thos Wright

???Born Somerset???

WRIGHT, William Head Married M 30 1821 Coach Painter
Middlesex VIEW
WRIGHT, Caroline Wife Married F 29 1822
Taunton
Somersetshire VIEW
WRIGHT, William Son Unmarried M 7 1844 Scholar
Middlesex VIEW
WRIGHT, Charlotte Daughter Unmarried F 5 1846
Middlesex VIEW
WRIGHT, John Son Unmarried M 3 1848
Middlesex VIEW
WRIGHT, Henry Son Unmarried M 1 1850
Middlesex VIEW
Piece:
1493 Folio:
758 Page:
7 Registration District:
Saint Pancras

Civil Parish:
Saint Pancras Municipal Borough:
Marylebone Address:
21, Henry Street, Saint Pancras, Marylebone County:
Middlesex

You say she married in 1843, have you got the marriage certificate? This would give her father's name and occupation

I am trying to find details on Caroline Hardiman who was born c1822/3 and married William Wright in March 1843 in Westminster (Middx). I have no details of her family at all and would appreciate any help to find her parents and siblings.

Thanks in anticipation.

Denis Wright

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