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@ mgnv.

Thanks. Really appreciate your tips and mini-tutorial. Great help. :-)
Oh for similar before 1837 !

@ Chris.

I guess it could be mistranscribed somehow. On the CFHS CD, for All Saints & St Vigors, I can't see a ~1777 burial for a Mary, but it shows for Oct 3, 1777, quote Susanna, 'son' of Edward & Mary unquote ... which is very odd. Edward and Mary never baptised a Susanna. There was a Susanna baptised for another couple, so one can imagine that either Susanna died, and the parents are incorrect, or Mary died, and 'Susanna' and 'son' are incorrect.

Cheers,

Colin

Not seeing a Burial either...don't suppose it's mistranscribed in any way?, (can't search by first name only on Parish Records, would be on your cd, odd eh?)

Chris :)

I presume you've found the "My threads" tool in the left margin, near the top.

If you edit any of your posts, you also get the option of editing the thread's title.
NB Do not delete the first post. Doing so causes the thread to vanish.

If you get the GRO index records on this site (indeed, any site), they won't determine the spouse before 1912q1.

However, it's not the only index of civil regos for Cambridge - also online is the local index, which does name spouses:
http://www.cambridgeshire.gov.uk/community/bmd/certificate/Camdex/

Here's an example - Daniel Smith 1837q4
Now I can see the other names on that page (which should include his spouse), but that's it

Marriages Dec 1837 (>99%)
Barber Ruth Ely 14 121
BITTEN Timothy Ely 14 121
Brown Ann Ely 14 121
CRAY Mary Ann Ely 14 121
ROGERS John Ely 14 121
SMITH Daniel Ely 14 121
TAYLOR Christopher Ely 14 121
WARNER Mary Ely 14 121

But a look up on Camdex gets:

Surname: SMITH
Forename: Daniel
Middle Initial:
Year of Marriage: 1837
Reference: 332/C-LIGE1/5/1
District: ELY (the Registration District in which the marriage took place)
Spouses Surname(s): WARNER

332 will mean Ely RD, and C-LIGE1 will be a code for the church, the C- probably means it's C of E, rather than Quaker or Jewish (the Registrar's own register is the only other choice pre-1898).

Nudge

Help please

Edward HANCOCK = Mary CORNWELL m. 17 Oct 1768 All Saints Fulbourn Cambs UK.

This couple had several children - including two children named MARY baptised at All Saints, Fulbourn CAMBS - in 1777 and in 1782.

I *assume* this means the FIRST Mary died as an infant or young child. I cannot find this death/burial 1777-1782.

Help please.

Thanks, Chris. :-)

I looked through the All Saints Fulbourn CD again, this time at Banns, and yes, I found Richard CLARK and Frances WEBB for Mar 11, 1833. Don't know why I missed it before ... so I'm thinking this is the family. Both single, of this parish.

Still in the dark about William CLARK b. c 1777, the father of Eliza. I've sent contact emails to some, from GR Trees, but mostly no replies yet. Here's hoping ...

Cheers.

Colin

Deaths Mar 1857 (>99%)
-----------------------------------------------------
Clarke Frances Chesterton 3b 298

(could be the above, The Parish Records collection aren't complete of all Parishes, so might be why you can't see a Burial?, the below is on there though, might be more info. on your Fulbourn cd)


Year:1832
Supplied Surname:WEBB
Surname:WEBB
Full First name:Fran
Supplied First Name:Fran
Spouse Surname:CLARK
Spouse Full First name:Richard
Spouse First Name:Ric
Place:FULBOURN ALL SAINTS
County:Cambridgeshire
Record source:Boyd's Marriage Index 1538-1840

Chris :)

1861

CLARK, Richard Head Widower M 59 1802 Agricultural Labourer
Fulbourn
Cambridgeshire
CLARK, Elizabeth Daughter Unmarried F 18 1843 Servant
Fulbourn
Cambridgeshire
CLARK, Harry Son M 8 1853 Scholar
Fulbourn
Cambridgeshire
Piece:
1020 Folio:
23 Page:
6 Registration District:
Chesterton
Civil Parish:
Fulbourn Municipal Borough:
Address:
25, Hay Street, Fulbourn County:
Cambridgeshire

Looking for a little help please.

Cambridgeshire/Fulbourn.

From Parish Records, and the 1841 and 1851 census, I find a Richard Clark of Fulbourn who is married to Frances ? and they have 5 children - George, Elizabeth, Lawrence and Rebecca and Emma (1841).

Richard Clark b c1803, and Frances ? b c 1812.

I can't see the wife, Frances, at the 1861 census.

Richard is shown as a widower, with dau Elizabeth still at home, and son Larry/Harry ? aged 8, but I can't find her in the deaths/burials pre 1861. If the Larry/Harry was born c1853, I presume Frances died as a result of, or after that event.

Can any kind person see the burial/death for Frances Clark, nee Unk.

Question:

If the 'rules' say I can't post another thread about the same person, (I understand the reasoning why I shouldn't) and this present thread is considered too 'wide' or all encompassing, how do I narrow down the topic without offending the powers that be? Can I change the Thread title, for one thing?

Another example; if I want to be specific about Richard CLARKE, and then I want to know about Richard Clarke's grandmother, Mary HANCOCK, and Richard's brother's wife, Ellen MORLEY, and the BARTON family, and FULBOURN village and BARTON village, etc, do they all have to be in this thread because they are about the SAME research? If so, won't these various winding roads lead to 'off topic' comments, that is, off the original topic but relevant still.

Just wondering.

I haven't posted any new threads yet, but the warnings at "Please Read..." and "Beginners ..." are somewhat dire.

Cheers

(Maybe asking this question here is off topic?. I'm feeling that I paid my Platinum fee plus, and now I'm leery about posting any genuine inquiries for fear of being 'flamed'.)

... holds breath and submits ....

@Reggie.

Wilco.

If you are looking for connections on here, use the search trees function

" ....no matter how obscure..someone will know the answer.... "

This is why I joined GR. :-D

Many thanks, SAFC.

I had this one also:

name: William Clarke
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 20 Jul 1777
baptism/christening place: CHEVELEY,CAMBRIDGE,ENGLAND
father's name: John Clarke
mother's name: Ann
indexing project (batch) number: J13805-1
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 1040453

I have no other info on that family. It does strike me as a bit further afield (for the 1770s) than Fulbourn (where William and wife Mary married and raised the family).

However, one of the facts that has helped me over time is that I have found the Clarke family to follow the naming conventions quite strictly (then), and it may be relevant that William and Mary named their children in order:
John 1801-1801
Richard 1803 (after wife's father??)
John 1805
Mary 1807
Eliza 1810
William 1812
Hannah 1817
George 1821

My GGGM Eliza (above) named her two NPE boys Richard (my GGF) and Alfred.

My GGF Richard named his children in order:

Alfred (his brother, in lieu of a father's name I guess)
Mary
Eliza
Andrew (after wife's father)
Catherine (after wife's mother)
John
Richard (my GF)

and my GF Richard also got in the mood with a Percy Richard, Andrew, George, William, Mavis and Nellie. I can find all these more recent names a generation back somewhere in the tree.

The upshot of all this, maybe ..., is that William or John are 'front runners' in the name for William Clark's b c1777 father, and Mary is a good fit for the mother.

But ... which ones !!

The 'red herring' is that after having all my DNA tests, the strongest match (but not conclusive) is for surname BARTON which 'may' point to my NPE resolution for the father of G GF Richard Clarke b1831. There are some Bartons around the area - even a village I see. However, that has nothing to do with William Clarke and where he was born or his parents.

I'm trying to jump over, walk around, dig under, or demolish the now 33 year long brick wall.

:-)

edits: grammar

Thanks, Derek.

I think this one :

name: William Clark
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 09 May 1778
baptism/christening place: LITTLE WILBRAHAM,CAMBRIDGE,ENGLAND
father's name: William Clark
mother's name: Mary
indexing project (batch) number: J13841-1
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 990398

is the child that died the same year. I can't find the reference for the burial just now - some kind soul PM'd a parish transcript and of course my filing system (?) has let me down. But I still think that Lt or Gt Wilbraham is a very likely location ...

County Cambridgeshire
Place Cheveley
Church St Mary and the Holy Host of Heaven
RegisterNumber
DateOfBirth
BaptismDate 20 Jul 1777
Forename William
Sex M
FatherForename John
MotherForename Ann
FatherSurname CLARKE
MotherSurname
Abode
FatherOccupation
Notes
FileNumber 25320

Colin.....possible....WILLIAM CLARK(E) 07.05.1778 Little Wlbraham..son of Wlliam and Mary..?

Derek.

Thanks, Chris. Yes, I think you even told me at the time that you had just arrived back from Cambridge !!

I do have the Parish Records on CD from the CFHS. Perhaps there is more info here - the CD is sparse ...

Colin

PS Must have been GR then ... that era was in the Dark Ages of the (a) volunteer custodian of the Forums who made it pure hell for all newbies. I'm assured this is the Renaissance, and the Golden Age. <3

Aah, Colin, thought it was familiar, must have been on GR here, I don't go anywhere else, lol. What happened to your 'Thread', can see your long plight by 'googling', remember you saying it had been a lot of years.

Chris :)

edits (you might be able to see the Parish Records on GR)

Wow. Thank you, everyone, for your generous responses. I was trying to discover if there were folks actually researching the family I have an interest in.

@ Chris Ho. Yes, great memory. :-) Several years ago, you did give me a response about Hancock and Clarke but I think it was a different site.

Anyway, here's what I am stuck with.

According to Cambridgeshire Baptism Index 1801-1837 Fulbourn All Saints church records, a William Clark(e) and wife Mary had a daughter, Eliza, baptised in 1810. (There were other siblings before and after).

Similarly, I found the marriage of William and Mary (Hancock) for Sep 15, 1800 at the same church. And I see William's burial JUn 23 1834 (aged 57).

But I have never been able to find William's baptism and his parents. I did find one William for about the right time 1777 +/-, but the child was buried in the next year.

Such a long winded way of getting to this:

Where was William Clark(e) born? And his parents?

I've been at this Clarke brick wall since 1979. In recent times, I have found a lot, and last year, I did all the possible DNA tests hoping that would help - so far, not enough data is in from families connected to the area, although I do have some strong hints for a later NPE.

Anyway, right now, what about this William Clark(e) fellow !

Thanks again, everyone. If my Platinum membership cost gets me a leg-up on the Clarke family, I will have spent my money wisely (and such a lot of money !) :-D

Thank you !

Am sure we had something similar before, involving the name Hancock too, but can't see the 'Thread', apologies if not, just familiar. think a Richard Clarke 1803 Fulbourn fits somewhere...

Chris :)

http://www.cfhs.org.uk/BaptismIndex/index.html

(above link for Cambridgeshire Baptisms and Burials 1801 - 1837)


A few Fulbourn Marriages and Burials, on Find My Past Parish collection, but not for Great and Little Wilbraham.