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Harriett Hammond(s) was my husband’s great grandmother. In November 1877 she married Thomas Hunt St George’s Church in Wolverhampton. Her age was given as 18 and her father given as John Hammonds, a miner. Address (of both) was 15 Little Moore Street and the witnesses were William Maurell and Emma Oliver.

In 1861 I have found what I believe to be her and her mother:

Name: Harriet Hammons
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Relation: Visitor
Gender: Female
Where born: Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England
Civil parish: Wolverhampton
Ecclesiastical parish: St Matthew
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Registration district: Wolverhampton
Sub-registration district: Wolverhampton Eastern
ED, institution, or vessel: 32
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 103
Piece: 1996
Folio: 11
Page Number: 17
Household Members:
Name Age
William Oliver 44
Jane Oliver 37
William Oliver 10
Thomas Oliver 8
Emma Oliver 6
Betsy Oliver 3
Mary Hammons 32
Harriet Hammons 1

I have made this assumption because I believe that Emma Oliver, aged 6, is the witness at her marriage 16 years later. I have not managed to establish any familial connection but guessing there must be

From this I have taken her birth to be
Births Dec 1859 (>99%)
HAMMOND Harriet Wolverhampton 6b 472

I do not yet have this certificate though I intend to get it.

In 1881, Thomas and Harriett are living with his parents (Piece:2805
Folio:68 Page Number:3) in Wolverhampton

in 1891, still in Wolverhampton, ...mother Mary there as well
Name: Mary Hammond
Age: 60
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1831
Relation: Grandmother, Grandma (Grandmother)
Gender: Female
Where born: Bridgnorth, Shropshire, England
Civil parish: Wolverhampton
Ecclesiastical parish: St Matthew
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Registration district: Wolverhampton
Sub-registration district: Wolverhampton Eastern
ED, institution, or vessel: 21
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2234
Folio: 60
Page Number: 16
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Hunt 37
Harriett Hunt 31
Benjamin Hunt 13
Elizabeth Hunt 11
Edward Hunt 5
Thomas Hunt 2
Mary Hammond 60

Slight problem with this as in 1861 Mary was born in Bilston.

I have Harriett and Thomas in 1901 and 1911 (by now in Newport Monmouthshire).

1901 for Mary
Name: Mary Hammonds
Age: 69
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1832
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Female
Where born: Bilston, Staffordshire, England
Civil parish: Wolverhampton
Ecclesiastical parish: St Matthew
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Registration district: Wolverhampton
Sub-registration district: Wolverhampton Eastern
ED, institution, or vessel: 20
Household schedule number: 41
Piece: 2681
Folio: 45
Page Number: 7
John Barlow 38
Margaret Barlow 36
Mary Hammonds 69

This is two doors from Thomas' brother...and back to being born in Bilston.

Can't find her in 1911

So....sorry for the mini War and Peace....I'd like to try and find Harriett in 1871 and, given her age, bonus would be one or both parents. I have not found John in any census - I am guessing he is of a similar age to Mary.

Total guess for marriage is

groom's name: John Hammonds
bride's name: Mary Evans
marriage date: 23 May 1858
marriage place: Wolverhampton, Stafford, England
indexing project (batch) number: M01818-0
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1040908

But obviously until I get the birth certificate of Harriett this is pure conjecture :-)

Thanks in advance

Don't know how familiar you are with the area but Bilston is next door pretty much to Wolverhampton and, I'm thinking that a lot quicker for the enumerator to write than Wolverhampton. He probably felt that being so close made it of no consequence.J

A lot of my family and my husband's family are from Wolverhampton area.

But my problem with Mary is that in 1861 and 1901 she is Bilston...but in 1891 she is Bridgnorth, Shropshire, England...having said that it's only about 18 miles away....

Jude

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1851 Wolverhampton Eastern D1y 20
John Hammonds lodger coal miner age 33 born Salop Cleobury Shropshire
Mary wife 22 born Pains lane Shropshire

Maryb

Mary thanks - possibility...

If that is them then this must be him in 1861

Name: John Hammon
Age: 46
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1815
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Cleobury Mortimer, Shropshire, England
Civil parish: Wolverhampton
Ecclesiastical parish: St Matthew
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street Address: Ettingshall Lane
Occupation: Miner
Registration district: Wolverhampton
Sub-registration district: Wolverhampton Eastern
ED, institution, or vessel: 37
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 25
Piece: 1996
Folio: 99
Page Number: 5
John Nichols 32
Sarah Nichols 23
Samuel Nichols 10
John Nichols 6 Months
John Hammon 46

and 1871

Name: John Hammand
Age: 57
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1814
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Cleobury, Shropshire, England
Civil parish: Willenhall
Ecclesiastical parish: St Stephen
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Registration district: Wolverhampton
Sub-registration district: Willenhall
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Household schedule number: 45
Piece: 2943
Folio: 82
Page Number: 10
Household Members:
Name Age
John Constable 63
Elizebeth Constable 66
Mary Constable 7
John Hammand 57

but then 1881 he is an inmate and he is widowed...so it must be the wrong pair as I have found what is definitely Harriet's mother Mary in 1891 and probably 1901

Name: John Hammond
Age: 67
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1814
Relation: Inmate
Gender: Male
Where born: Cliberymortimer, Shropshire, England
Civil parish: Cannock
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street Address: "Wolverhampton Rd Cannock Union Work House"
Condition as to marriage: Widow
Occupation: Coal Miner
Registration district: Cannock
Sub-registration district: Cannock
ED, institution, or vessel: 2

Harriet in 1871 must be the key!!

Jude

OK..so I ordered the birth certificate for Harriett and took a flier on the marriage being as above, John and Mary Evans,....well the marriage certificate has arrived today and the birth certificate hasn't. First indications are that the marriage is a wild-goose chase. John is a widower aged 32 and Mary (Evans) is a widow aged 40. So Mary is wrong age because we know from census that she was born around 1831 not 1818.

As an aside both of the fathers' occupations is shown on the certificate as "dead" ha ha

So I am very open to offers as to a marriage for "Mary" to John Hammonds.

Mary needs to be born ca 1831 and that is the only timeline I have.

Jude

If John was born Shropshire, what about this one ?

Marriages Dec 1851 (>99%)
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BAILEY John Shrewsbury 18 257
Blair Sarah Shrewsbury 18 257
CARESWELL Martha Shrewsbury 18 257
Cope Edward Shrewsbury 18 257
HAMMONDS John Shrewsbury 18 257
MORRY John Shrewsbury 18 257
Mytton Emma Shrewsbury 18 257
PURSLOW Mary Shrewsbury 18 257





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Mary Purslow --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Marriages:
Spouse: John Hammonds
Marriage: 07 DEC 1851 Holy Cross, Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England

Funnily enough Mike that's one of two I wrote in my book last night to follow up....My problem with Mary is that I have her in two censuses that I am fairly sure is her..with baby Harriett and with married Harriett.

In 1861 she is shown as being born in Bilston and in 1891 in Bridgenorth. And then in 1901 what I think is her she's Bilston again! Hopefully the birth certificate will be here today and that will point me in the right direction!

"speak" later!!!!!!!

OK so surprise surprise...I have the birth certificate and it's not her!!

So Wolverhampton 6b 472 is the daughter of Thomas and Sarah.

Only other birth I can find is Shifnal Mar 1859 6a 588

So it's back to the drawing board and trying to find Harriett in 1871 which must be the key to this whole mystery! I do not discount the Shropshire connection - the Olivers that they were visiting in 1861 were all born there

Father John was definitely a miner but I have no idea of his age.

If this duplicates somewhere it's because I thought I had written and posted this earlier!

Did you order 6b 472 ?


Is this not her birth .........

Births Dec 1859
HAMMONS Harriet - Wolverhampton 6b 423

What about this one ?


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Marriages Mar 1852

Causer Mary Ann Walsall 6b 581
Hamons John Walsall 6b 581

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EDIT :

More details of above marriage Maybe John's age rules it out

JOHN HAMONS

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Parents:
Father: BROWN HAMONS --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Marriages:
Spouse: MARY ANN CAUSER
Marriage: 11 JAN 1852 Saint Lawrence, Darlaston Near Wolverhampton, Stafford, England

Husband Age at Marriage: 24
Wife Age at Marriage: 19

Aw Mike

Births Dec 1859
HAMMONS Harriet - Wolverhampton 6b 423


Looks good......

And as for the marriage - I have NO IDEA of how old John was because I have never found him at a census. Mary on the other hand was born around 1831/2 which fits with that marriage :-)

I was just going off how it was spelt in 1861

Harriet Hammons - 1

Yep didn't give that a thought :-)....but it's vERY worth investigating!! Intend to order birth cert asap...will update!!

OK I have now received the second birth certificate ref 6b 423. This could explain why we never find Mary John and Harriett together as Harriett was born in the Union Workhouse in Wolverhampton and no father's name is given. Mary gives her name as Mary Hammond. So assuming this IS the correct Harriett, possibly Mary was not married, or if she was, she was no longer with John. The only mention I ever have of John is on Harriett's wedding certificate and I KNOW that it is the right Harriett!

I'll throw around some ideas later but meanwhile any thoughts from anyone gratefully received

Jude