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Reggie - I never meant to imply you hadn't understood the question, I merely meant to imply that you hadn't answered it.
Well, clearly I missed the little "x" that closed the overlay.

Here's FMP's Churchill

Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation/Disability Where Born Original
CHURCHILL, Randolph Lord Head Married M 32 1849 Member Of Parliament Chelsea Middlesex
CHURCHILL, Randolph Lady Wife Married F 27 1854 New York United States
CHURCHILL, Winston Master Son Single M 6 1875 Scholar Woodstock Oxfordshire
CHURCHILL, John Master Son Single M 1 1880 Dublin Pheonix Park
HOWARD, Charles Servant Single M 27 1854 Butler Dom Serv Tonbridge Wells Sussex
MARTIN, Frederick Servant Single M 23 1858 Footman Canford Dorset
EVEREST, Elizabeth Servant Single F 47 1834 Nurse Chatham Kent
LEGGE, Amelia Servant Single F 30 1851 Cook Wimborne Dorset
MITCHELL, Sarah Servant Single F 27 1854 Housemaid London Paddington, London Middlesex
CLARK, Jane Servant Single F 17 1864 Kitchenmaid Gilmorton Leicestershire
GORTON, Bessie Servant Single F 16 1865 Nursery Maid Haighworth Wiltshire
SECRET, Rebecca Servant Single F 44 1837 Ladys Maid Alpington Norfolk

Piece:128 Folio: 75 Page:38
Registration District:Westminster
Civil Parish:St James Westminster
Municipal Borough:
Address:29, St Jamess Place, St James Westminster
County:London, Middlesex


Rather quirky that being a Member Of Parliament is listed in the Disability column.

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Here's another look up at Ancestry, FS and FMP:

1881 England Census
Civil parish: Byker
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England
Street Address: 53 Clifford St
Registration district: Newcastle Upon Tyne
Sub-registration district: Byker
ED, institution, or vessel: 15

John Dowson 70 N Shields, Northumberland, England Head W Suptd Rn [Riv] Pol Inspector

Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 5068; Folio: 6; Page: 6; GSU roll: 1342223.


1881 Household:
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
John DOWSON Head W Male 70 N Shields, Northumberland, England Suptd Rn Pol Inspector
Source Information:
Dwelling 53 Clifford St
Census Place Byker, Northumberland, England
Family History Library Film 1342223
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 5068 / 6
Page Number 6


DOWSON, John Head Widower M 70 1811 Suptd Rn Pol Inspector N Shields Northumberland

Piece: 5068 Folio: 6 Page: 6
Registration District: Newcastle upon Tyne
Civil Parish: Byker
Municipal Borough:
Address: 53, Clifford St, Byker
County: Northumberland


Incidentally, the original FMP c&p (uneditted) is:

DOWSON, John Head Widower M 70 1811 Suptd Rn Pol Inspector
N Shields
Northumberland VIEW
Piece:
5068 Folio:
6 Page:
6 Registration District:
Newcastle upon Tyne

Civil Parish:
Byker Municipal Borough:
Address:
53, Clifford St, Byker County:
Northumberland

I don't agree this is better than the old FS format - all the source & house info has line breaks at the wrong places, plus there's unnecessary line breaks in the pob and I get stray "VIEW"s poppimg up at the end of everyone's line.



Anyway, the point of posting John Dowson is that I can tell from my original Ancestry record that I wasn't happy abt his occup - it didn't make sense - and I looked at image and decided "Rn" was a mistranscription of "Riv", and I indicated that in my notes by adding my correction in []s.

This is the only example I can produce now, but I have gotten the impression that both Ancestry and FMP use FS's 1881 transcription.
More generally, I think Ancestry & FS use the same transcription on other censuses. Also, LAC & Ancestry use FS's 1881 Canada transcription, and FS/LAC use Ancestry's 1871, 1891 Canada.

FMP and Ancestry have difft transcriptions for the UK censuses (excl 1881)
My opinion is that FMP's are more accurate.

Also Ancestry & AG have difft transcriptions for Canada, 1852, 1901, 1906, 1911.
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/genealogy/022-911.009-e.html

Generally, Ancestry's (old style) search screen is the easiest to use, I think. It's definitely useful to be able to search for Sarah, d/o William and Elizabeth (or d/o Wil* & Eli*) in Co Durham when the surname's gotten butchered.

Thank you Mike

Reggie, I'm with you on this
I don't understand the problem

Results for: Stephen Groves

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Birth/Christening, 1876, England
Exact Spelling: Off
Matches: All Sources - 1
Census - 1881 British Census
1. Stephen GROVES - 1881 British Census / Gloucester
Son Gender: Male Birth: Bradfield, Gloucester, England
Matches: Census/1881 British Census - 1

Click on the name to get Individual record

Click on Household record - top right (as ever was)



Household Record 1881 British Census

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Household:

Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Stephen GROVES Head M Male 45 Eastington, Gloucester, England Agricul Labourer
Elizabeth GROVES Wife M Female 43 Chedworth, Gloucester, England Agricul Labourer Wife
George GROVES Son U Male 18 Bradfield, Gloucester, England Under Carter (A L)
Albert GROVES Son U Male 16 Bradfield, Gloucester, England Under Carter (A L)
Elizabeth GROVES Daur Female 13 Bradfield, Gloucester, England
Jane GROVES Daur Female 12 Bradfield, Gloucester, England
William GROVES Son Male 11 Bradfield, Gloucester, England
Joseph GROVES Son Male 9 Bradfield, Gloucester, England
Ellen GROVES Daur Female 6 Bradfield, Gloucester, England
Stephen GROVES Son Male 5 Bradfield, Gloucester, England

Source Information:
Census Place Longborough, Gloucester, England
Family History Library Film 1341618
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 2563 / 124
Page Number 20


Q.E.D.

The URL I posted links to the original site - I'm not in the habit of giving false info

Just close the superimposed piece 'Explore Upgraded Website Now'

And I understood the question, thank you!

https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/show#uri=http://www.familysearch.org/searchapi/search/collection/1321821

England and Wales Census, 1881
Description

Population schedule for England, Wales, Isle of Man and Channel Islands showing population as of 3 April 1881.

An example:

Name: Luke Sadd
Age: 27
Gender: Male
Birth Year: 1854
Birthplace: Little Glenham, Suffolk, England
Relationship to Head of Household: Head
Marital Condition: Married
Profession/Occupation: Bricklayer
Address: Marlesford Rd
Census Place: Hacheston, Suffolk, England
Household Gender Age
Luke Sadd M 27
Spouse Harriet Sadd F 26
Child Charles P Sadd M 8
Child Flora Sadd F 7
Child Ada E Sadd F 6
Child Lily R Sadd F 3

Peter Calver of LostCousins has written about this 'problem' in his latest newsletter article 'FamilySearch - old site on the way out?'.....

http://www.lostcousins.com/newsletters/may12news.htm

He suggests using the free access to the 1881 on Findmypast as "you can get a printout out of the entire household that is even better than the one that FamilySearch used to offer"....

http://tinyurl.com/bwj3s36

Chris

Reggie - the question was never if the census was FREE or not, but rather how did you get at it. The link you posted doesn't take me to the original site that I can see, but to some other site.

Thelma's link does get me to the old site that I recognize, but when I click on the census link there, it takes me to the new site (but as T said, I can get the old format by searching "all resources" on her URL).

OK, so I never thought of it being part of All Resources.
However, the limitations on the search capabilities of all resources effectively cripple it for many names.

I just looked up John Lowe for another thread - all resources says there's 400+ hits (Ancestry has 1298), but when I limit it to Oxfordshire, Ancestry just gives me 16 hits. It's practicable to spot my guy in 16 hits, but not 1298.

However, if I first look him up on Ancestry and get his exact year of birth, all resources lets me use that and I'm down to a practicable 26 hits, and I do get the formatted display I like, but it seems a cack-handed way of doing it. It would probably be worth it if I had a dozen adults with occupations in the h/h, though, like I did with Churchill.

The address below is the original site - where the 1881 census is FREE - as it has been since heaven knows when.

There has been no change whatsoever...................

http://www.familysearch.org/eng/default.asp

Mike is right,the 1881 census is still on the old site but does not have the same search capabilities.

http://www.familysearch.org/eng/search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=search_all1.asp&clear_form=true

Go to all resources not census.
EG
Thomas Renyard born 1824 England

Census - 1881 British Census
1. Thomas REYNARD - 1881 British Census / York
Head Gender: Male Birth: Baildon, York

same as it always was.

You know what....Malc & Mike



..........you confused me :-S

You can also do a free look up at Ancestry (but no free image) - you might have to do a free registration first - I forget.

I prefer the old style search - go to the home page:
http://www.ancestry.co.uk/
From the main banner bar, select Serch - Search all records
The old/new style switch appears at far right, just under the main banner bar.
You can then choose Search - Census & Electoral rolls, and then choose the English (say) 1881. Wales 1881 and US 1880 are also free. Actually, you can search any census, but if it's not free, you won't get full details. E.g. 1881 Canada just gives me:

Name Home in 1881 Birth Year Birthplace View Images
William L.M. King township, Waterloo North, Ontario 1875 location

and hides township=Berlin, location=Ontar on the summary, and won't let me view details.

Here's Churchill's details just copied and pasted as is:

1881 England Census about Winston (Master) Churchill
Name: Winston (Master) Churchill
[Winston Leonard Spencer Churchill]
Age: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1875
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Randolph (Lord) Churchill
Mother's Name: Randolph (Lady) Churchill
Gender: Male
Where born: Woodstock, Oxfordshire, England
Civil parish: St James
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 29 St James's Place
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Scholar
Registration district: Westminster
Sub-registration district: Berwick Street
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 128
Folio: 75
Page Number: 38
Household Members:
Name Age
Randolph (Lord) Churchill 32
Randolph (Lady) Churchill 27
Winston (Master) Churchill 6
John Churchill 1
Charles Howard 27
Frederick Martin 23
Elizabeth Everest 47
Amelia Legge 30
Sarah Mitchell 27
Jane Clark 17
Bessie Gorton 16
Rebecca Secret 44
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Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 128; Folio: 75; Page: 38; GSU roll: 1341029.

I normally then edit the above as follows - first I delete redundant stuff, then I take the link:
Neighbors: View others on page
and copy and paste bits of that, then I add the marital status and occupation. In 1881, just hovering over the view record reveals them and I usually just type them in rather than clicking, then c & p-ing, then backing out. In other years, they're not transcribed, and one has to view the image to get this info (and disability info).

Eventually, I get:

1881 England Census
Civil parish: St James
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 29 St James's Place
Registration district: Westminster
Sub-registration district: Berwick Street
ED, institution, or vessel: 16

Randolph (Lord) Churchill 32 Chelsea, Middlesex, England Head M Member Of Parliament
Randolph (Lady) Churchill 27 New York, USA Wife M
Winston (Master) Churchill 6 Woodstock, Oxfordshire, England Son Scholar
John Churchill 1 Dublin Pheonix Park, Ireland Son
Charles Howard 27 Tonbridge Wells, Sussex, England Servant Butler Dom Serv
Frederick Martin 23 Canford, Dorset, England Servant Footman
Elizabeth Everest 47 Chatham, Kent, England Servant Nurse
Amelia Legge 30 Wimborne, Dorset, England Servant Cook
Sarah Mitchell 27 London Paddington, London, Middlesex, England Servant Housemaid
Jane Clark 17 Gilmorton, Leicestershire, England Servant Kitchenmaid
Bessie Gorton 16 Haighworth, Wiltshire, England Servant Nursery Maid
Rebecca Secret 44 Alpington, Norfolk, England Servant Ladys Maid

Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 128; Folio: 75; Page: 38; GSU roll: 1341029.


It's not quite the same as the original image - the columns are reordered as it makes the c&p easier.

1881 still available on the old familysearch site in the following format


Household: 1881

Randolph (Lord) CHURCHILL Head M Male 32 Chelsea, Middlesex, England Member Of Parliament
Randolph (Lady) CHURCHILL Wife M Female 27 New York, United States
Winston (Master) CHURCHILL Son Male 6 Woodstock, Oxford, England Scholar
John CHURCHILL Son Male 1 Dublin Pheonix Park
Charles HOWARD Serv U Male 27 Tonbridge Wells, Sussex, England Butler Dom Serv
Frederick MARTIN Serv U Male 23 Canford, Dorset, England Footman
Elizabeth EVEREST Serv U Female 47 Chatham, Kent, England Nurse
Amelia LEGGE Serv U Female 30 Wimborne, Dorset, England Cook
Sarah MITCHELL Serv U Female 27 London Paddington, London, Middlesex, England Housemaid
Jane CLARK Serv U Female 17 Gilmorton, Leicester, England Kitchenmaid
Bessie GORTON Serv U Female 16 Haighworth, Wiltshire, England Nursery Maid
Rebecca SECRET Serv U Female 44 Alpington, Norfolk, England Ladys Maid


Dwelling 29 St James's Place
Census Place London, Middlesex, England

It used to be part of the old FS site - this site is being switched over to the new site, and the census is gone from the old site.

It's a pity as I liked the old format - the closest to the old format is
http://www.freecen.org.uk/cgi/search.pl
but this only works for Cornwall and parts of Caithness in 1881. E.g.:

Piece: RG11/2281 Place: St Germans -Cornwall Enumeration District: 6
Civil Parish: St. Germans Ecclesiastical Parish: Hessenford
Folio: 64 Page: 3 Schedule: 13
Address: Buddle Gate
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Surname First name(s) Rel Status Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
SMITH John Head M M 66 Farm Laborer Cornwall - St Germans
SMITH Jane Wife M F 64 Cornwall - St Germans
SMITH Richard Son W M 23 Blacksmith Cornwall - St Germans
SMITH John Nephew S M 16 Farm Laborer Devon - Plymouth


You can look up the 1880 US, the 1881 Canadian, and 1881 English and Welsh censuses using the appropriate collections under:

https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/list#page=1®ion=UNITED_STATES
https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/list#page=1®ion=CANADA
https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/list#page=1®ion=BRITISH_ISLES

For Canada, look upon FS first - it shows the whole family, then look up some member at:
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/census-1881/index-e.html
so you can get the image.

Here's a look up from FS 1881 England:

name: Winston Master Churchill
age: 6
gender: Male
birth year: 1875
birthplace: Woodstock, Oxfordshire, England
relationship to head of household: Son
marital condition: Single
profession/occupation: Scholar
address: 29 St Jamess Place
census place: St James Westminster, Middlesex, England
disability:
record type: Household
family history library film: 1341029
the national archives reference: RG11
piece/folio: 128 / 75
page number: 38
Household Gender Age
parent Randolph Lord Churchill M 32
parent Randolph Lady Churchill F 27
Winston Master Churchill M 6
John Churchill M 1
Charles Howard M 27
Frederick Martin M 23
Elizabeth Everest F 47
Amelia Legge F 30
Sarah Mitchell F 27
Jane Clark F 17
Bessie Gorton F 16
Rebecca Secret F 44

Its free here


https://www.familysearch.org/


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hi
the 1881 census used to be free where you can check who else was living in the household i cant seem to find e mail address any help appreciates