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Mike
Thanks for your comments. I will have to order Sarah Beatrice's birth cert now that I have the reference from Pam and see what's what. On your second point, that could also be a possibility. Hey ho, this genealogy lark is full of surprises!

Sorry for delay in replying. Just trying to get my head round the posts.
Patcham - I don't think the 1881 marriage is for William Henry's Elizabeth. James Bradshaw and Elizabeth Sarah Kalthoeber are my paternal gt grandparents and I'm pretty sure she was a spinster when marrying.
Reggie, I have eleven William Ks in my tree, none of whom were born in 1854 (I presume that was a birth record), so you could be on to something. Is that an IGI record? I am looking for Sarah Beatrice's descendants in particular, but I do a trawl now and again to see if there are any new records for the Ks generally. I have hundreds of records for them, but am still trying to attach them to my root tree and Sarah Beatrice is a new one.
Pam, thanks for the FreeBMD record. I'd missed that.

The birth cert for Sarah above may proved that Elizabeth was a spinster.
Not unknown for father to be invented.

OR

may be like my Gt Gt grandmother who married for a 2nd time under her maiden name as a spinster when she had been married 19 years.

I think the 1881 marriage could be ruled out as she is down on marriage cert as a spinster

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Sarah Beatrice Kalthoes[e?]R

Name: Sarah Beatrice Kalthoes[e?]R
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1876
Registration district: Pancras
Inferred County: London, Middlesex
Volume: 1b
Page: 40

So you're not researching a specific person - just taking random hits on the name?

1891 for the couple marrying in 1881


Name: Elizabeth Bradshaw
[Elizabeth Kalthoeber]
Age: 34
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: James Bradshaw
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Kalthoeber
Gender: Female
Where born: Newington, Surrey, England
Civil parish: Newington St Mary
Ecclesiastical parish: Walworth All Saints
Town: London City
County/Island: London
Country: England


Registration district: St Saviour Southwark
Sub-registration district: St Peter Walworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 29a
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 362
Folio: 6
Page Number: 4
Household Members:
Name Age
James Bradshaw 35
Elizabeth Bradshaw 34
James Bradshaw 8
Jane Bradshaw 9
Ada Bradshaw 5
Elizabeth Kalthoeber 54 Mother in Law

Hi Christine, yes they are ancestors and I have been researching the Kalthoebers for many years.
Hi Reggie, long time no speak. I just entered Kalthoeber into Ancestry to see if there were any new records and the baptism came up.
Hi Glitter B, also long time no speak. Yes, I saw that, but I can't find any other records

Sheer speculation - based on Sarah's birth year

WILLIAM KALTHOEBER
:
11 AUG 1854 Saint Clement Danes, Westminster, London, England

Mother: ANN KALTHOEBER

Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.

Source Information:
Batch No.: C041602

If William dies and Elizabeth marries at the start of April 1881, she could be under a new name on the census..
Marriages Jun 1881
BRADSHAW James St. Saviour 1d 49
HERBERT Daniel St. Saviour 1d 49
KALTHOEBER Elizabeth St. Saviour 1d 49
KALTHORBER Elizabeth St Saviour Southwark 1d 49
MARSHALL Martha St.Saviour 1d 49

Added:
There are births for possible sisters on free bmd (Charlotte and Ada)

Looking at Ancestry records for this surname and who is saving them it looks like Ron is researching the name

In 1881, this family is at the address given on the baptism record


Name: Horace J. Pearson
Age: 16
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Joseph S. Pearson
Mother's Name: Eliza Pearson
Gender: Male
Where born: Middlesex, England
Civil parish: Pancras
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 100 Cleveland St

Occupation: Compositor Printer
Registration district: Pancras
Sub-registration district: Tottenham Court
ED, institution, or vessel: 6a
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 186
Folio: 9
Page Number: 13
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph S. Pearson 42
Eliza Pearson 47
Horace J. Pearson 16
Arthur W. Pearson 14
Flora G. Pearson 9


As is this one.......

ame: Stephen Philips
Age: 36
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Hannah A. Philips
Gender: Male
Where born: West M, Middlesex, England
Civil parish: Pancras
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 100 Cleveland St
Condition as to marriage: Married

Occupation: Shoe Maker
Registration district: Pancras
Sub-registration district: Tottenham Court
ED, institution, or vessel: 6a
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 186
Folio: 9
Page Number: 13
Household Members:
Name Age
Stephen Philips 36
Hannah A. Philips 39
Allice Paige 10

Says born July 16th 1876

100 Cleveland St

William is a porter

What prompted you to look for the baptism?

You must have some link.............

I wonder if these are ancestors?

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,13701.0.html

I have the baptism record of Sarah Beatrice Kalthoeber on 16 August 1876 in Camden showing father as William Henry Kalthoeber and mother Elizabeth. I have been unable to find any other record for her or her parents (no census or BMD). I would be grateful if some eagle-eyed member could assist me with this.
Thanks in advance.
Ron