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Hi
can anyone find for me the above man. He married ann walsh in 1887 in burnley, think st james. he died aged approx 40 in 1891 making birth year 1851. He was married previously i think , think on the census of 1891 he had a child , but dontg have those census details. ann would have alfred ashton/walsh and also william ashton/walsh/lord and maybe even margaret alice ashton/walsh/lord with her.
just trying to found out who his previous spouse was and maybe his parents?
thanks
shirley

England & Wales Marriages, 1538-1940 about Samuel Lord
Name: Samuel Lord
Gender: Male
Birth Date: abt 1850
Age: 37
Father's Name: Edmund Lord
Spouse's Name: Ann Ashton
Spouse's Age: 38
Spouse's Father's Name: John Wallace
Marriage Date: 31 Jul 1887
Marriage Place: Burnley, Lancashire, England

thanks. have just found an edmund lord and elizabeth ? having a samuel lord in 1850 at st chads in rochdale. So now wondering if this is the right one? But i still cant get used to the new familysearch.org site, not as good as original.
will check out lancashire parish clerks now to see if i can find him on there.

this is the one born c1851
1891
Name: Samuel Lord
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ann Lord
Gender: Male
Where born: Rochdale, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Habergham Eaves
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address:48 king street

Occupation:iron moulder

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Burnley
Sub-registration district: Burnley
ED, institution, or vessel: 37
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3367
Folio: 73
Page Number: 29
Household Members:
Name Age
Samuel Lord 40
Ann Lord 42
William Lord 11

Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 3367; Folio: 73; Page: 29; GSU roll: 6098477.


does his occupation tie with his marriage cert


Would make the son born before the marriage to Ann

Maybe

1861 census
Thomas Lord age 50 head
Mary Lord age 49 wife
Sarah Lord daughter age 18
James Lord son age 16
William Lord son age 13
Samuel Lord son age 10

All born Rochdale Lancs
Civil Parish Blachinworth and Calderbrook
Ecc. paqrish Littleborough Holy Trinity
County Lancs
Sub Reg district Blachinworth

Yes, william, really an ashton, is the supposed son of ann's previous husband, james, who died in 1873, which he had down as father on his marriage certificate i think. But on his birth certificate it has no father. or vice versa. I think ann, well i know ann, had a relationship in between the death of james in 1873 and williams birth in 1879, but i will never know who. But his certificate has him as an ashton. Then she married samuel lord later. William is my direct ancestot and i always find it frustrating that i will never discover what my true surname would have been. oh well.... :-(

Samuel's dad is Edmund lord

I'm not sure if you're still looking for information or not, after 11 years.
If so, what do you need to know?


Samuel Lord
in the 1871 England Census
Name Samuel Lord
Age 20
Estimated Birth Year 1851
Relation Son
Gender Male
Where born Rochdale, Lancashire, England
Civil parish Spotland
Ecclesiastical parish St Clement
Town Rochdale
County/Island Lancashire
Country England
Registration district Rochdale
Sub-registration district Spotland Nearer Side
ED, institution, or vessel 10
Household schedule number 145
Piece 4121
Folio 56
Page number 30
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
Edmund Lord 48 Head
Elizabeth Lord 49 Wife
Emma Lord 23 Daughter
Samuel Lord 20 Son
James Lord 18 Son
Jesse Lord 14 Son
Ellis Lord 10 Son




Samuel Lard
in the 1861 England Census
Name Samuel Lard
Gender Male
Age 10
Relation Son
Estimated Birth Year 1851
Father's Name Edmund Lord
Mother's Name Elizabeth Lord
Where born Rochdale, Lancashire, England
Civil parish Spotland
Ecclesiastical parish St Clement
Town Rochdale
County/Island Lancashire
Country England
Registration district Rochdale
Sub-registration district Spotland Nearer Side
ED, institution, or vessel 6
Neighbors
Household schedule number 98
Piece 3039
Folio 100
Page number 19
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
Edmund Lord 38 Head
Elizabeth Lord 39 Wife
Sarah Ann Lord 17 Daughter
Emma Lard 13 Daughter
Samuel Lard 10 Son
James Lard 8 Son
Jesse Lard 4 Son
Ellis Lard 1/12 Son


Samuel Lord
in the 1851 England Census
Name Samuel Lord
Age 10 [10 months on image ]
Estimated Birth Year abt 1841 [1850]
Relation Son
Father's Name Edmund Lord
Mother's Name Elizabeth Lord
Gender Male
Where born Rochdale, Lancashire, England
Civil parish Wardleworth
Ecclesiastical parish St James
Town Rochdale
County/Island Lancashire
Country England
Registration district Rochdale
Sub-registration district Wardleworth
ED, institution, or vessel 1k
Neighbors
Household schedule number 167
Piece 2246
Folio 281
Page number 43
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
Edmund Lord 28 Head
Elizabeth Lord 29 Wife
Sarah Ann Lord 7 Daughter
Emma Lord 3 Daughter
Samuel Lord 10 Son [10 months on image ]
Sarah Ann Mellor 20 Lodger
Jesse Mellor 18 Lodger
Alice Mellor 12 Lodger


Samuel Lord
in the Manchester, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1915
Name Samuel Lord
Baptism Date 22 Sep 1850
Baptism Place Rochdale, St Chad, Lancashire, England
Parish as it Appears Rochdale
Father Edmund Lord
Mother Elizabeth Lord
Reference Number L48/1/3/9
Item Number 3
Archive Roll 645


LORD, SAMUEL mmn WHATMOUGH
GRO Reference: 1850 J Quarter in ROCHDALE Volume 21 Page 865

LORD, EMMA mmn WHATMOUGH
GRO Reference: 1848 M Quarter in ROCHDALE Volume 21 Page 702

LORD, SARAH ANN mmn WHATMOUGH
GRO Reference: 1844 M Quarter in ROCHDALE Volume 21 Page 732


Marriages Sep 1843 (>99%)
LORD Edmund Todmorden 21 471
WATMOUGH Elizabeth Todmorden 21 471

Marriage: 31 Jul 1887 St James, Burnley, Lancashire, England
Samuel Lord - 37, Iron Moulder, Bachelor, 19 Curzon Street
Ann Ashton - (X), 38, Cotton Winder, Widow, 12 Regent Street
Groom's Father: Edmund Lord, Labourer
Bride's Father: John Wallace, Collier
Witness: John Thomas Sanderson, (X); Elizabeth Cowperthwaite, (X)
Married by Certificate by: James Dodd Curate
Register: Marriages 1871 - 1896, Page 162, Entry 324
Source: LDS Film 1526113


Baptism: 22 Sep 1850 St Chad, Rochdale, Lancashire, England
Samuel Lord - [Child] of Edmund Lord & Elizabeth
Abode: Water Lane
Occupation: Carder
Baptised by: W. Grant, Curate
Register: Baptisms 1846 - 1851, Page 87, Entry 690
Source: LDS Film 2356445

From the following site…..use it for all Lancs research

https://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Search/indexp.html

If this is still about identifying William Ashton’s father, I’m afraid it’s a non-starter :-( :-(

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census
7, Regent Street, Burnley, Lancashire, England

Margaret Walsh Head Widow Female 57 1824 Housekeeper Scotland
Ann Ashton Daughter Widow Female 33 1848 Cotton winder Altham, Lancashire, England
Alice Walsh Daughter Single Female 20 1861 Cotton weaver Burnley, Lancashire, England
Alfred Walsh Son Single Male 9 1872 Scholar Burnley, Lancashire, England
Margaret Walsh Daughter Single Female 7 1874 Scholar Burnley, Lancashire, England
William Walsh Son Single Male 1 1880 - Burnley, Lancashire, England
Elizabeth Wigglesworth Boarder Single Female 33 1848 Cotton weaver Burnley, Lancashire, England
Frank Wigglesworth Boarder son Single Male 3 1878 - Burnley, Lancashire, England


ASHTON, WILLIAM -
GRO Reference: 1879 J Quarter in THE BURNLEY UNION Volume 08E Page 246


ASHTON, MARGARET ALICE WALSH
GRO Reference: 1873 J Quarter in THE BURNLEY UNION Volume 08E Page 226

ASHTON, ALFRED WALSH
GRO Reference: 1871 S Quarter in THE BURNLEY UNION Volume 08E Page 217

Baptism: 23 Nov 1873 St Peter, Burnley, Lancashire, England
Margaret Alice Ashton - [Child] of James Ashton
Abode: Adelphi St
Occupation: Fettler
Notes: [No mother entered]
Baptised by: C. J. Besley
Register: Baptisms 1870 - 1877, Page 118, Entry 938
Source: LDS Film 1517691

Baptism: 10 Sep 1871 St Peter, Burnley, Lancashire, England
Alfred Ashton - [Child] of James Ashton & Ann
Abode: Fulledge St
Occupation: Labourer
Baptised by: R. Jackson Cuppage
Register: Baptisms 1870 - 1877, Page 36, Entry 288
Source: LDS Film 1517691

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Fulledge Street, Burnley, Lancashire, England
James Ashton Head - Male 22 1849 - Lancashire, England
Ann Ashton Wife - Female 23 1848 - Lancashire, England

No baptism for William as far as I can see....................

Not sure why Shirley suddenly posted on here after 11 years..................especially as she hasn't apparently looked at recent responses.