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Andrew729
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25 Jun 2012 09:05 |
hello,
fairly new at this. looking to find birth date & place for elizabeth jamieson. what I believe: elizabeth married william wylie on december 31, 1842 in carluke, lanarkshire, scotland. elizabeth and william had a daughter, Jane, who was born on october 31, 1876 at 11:55pm at 104 stewart street, wishaw, lanarkshire, scotland. jane married john hamilton on june 14, 1905 in cambusnethan, lanarkshire, scotland. to repeat, this is what I believe but I am a beginner so, to quote the gershwin boys - "it ain't necessarily so".
thanks, andrew
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Catherine
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25 Jun 2012 09:10 |
this looks to be the family:-
1881 Scotland Censusabout Jane Wylie Name: Jane Wylie Age: 4 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877 Relationship: Daughter Father's Name: William Wylie Mother's name: Elizabeth J Wylie Gender: Female Where born: Wishaw, Lanarkshire Registration number: 628 Registration district: Cambusnethan Civil parish: Cambusnethan Town: Wishaw County: Lanarkshire xxxx Address: 49 Stewarton Street xxxx ED: 13 Household schedule number: 183 Line: 23 Roll: cssct1881_207 Household Members: Name Age William Wylie 28 - born: Dalry, Ayrshire Elizabeth J Wylie 32 - born: Carluke, Lanarkshire (d.of b.= abt.1849) Thomas Wylie 7 Jane Wylie 4 Agnes Wylie 2 William Smith 26 Samuel Stocks 27
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Catherine
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25 Jun 2012 09:13 |
1891 Scotland Censusabout Jane Wylie Name: Jane Wylie Age: 14 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877 Relationship: Daur (Daughter) Father's Name: William Wylie Mother's name: Elizabeth Wylie Gender: Female Where born: Wishaw, Lanarkshire Registration number: 628 Registration district: Cambusnethan Civil parish: Cambusnethan Town: Wishaw County: Lanarkshire Address: 3 Steeles Land ED: 15 Household schedule number: 70 Line: 18 Roll: CSSCT1891_230 Household Members: Name Age William Wylie 38 Elizabeth Wylie 41 - born: Carluke, Lanarkshire Thomas Wylie 18 Jane Wylie 14 Agnes Wylie 12 William Wylie 9 Lizzie Wylie 6 Maggie Wylie 1 John Brown 12 Charles Markey 18
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Catherine
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25 Jun 2012 09:17 |
1901 Scotland Censusabout William Wylie Name: William Wylie Age: 48 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853 Relationship: Head Spouse's name : Elizabeth Wylie Gender: Male Where born: Dalry, Ayrshire Registration number: 628 Registration district: Cambusnethan Civil parish: Cambusnethan Town: Wishaw County: Lanarkshire Address: 25 Caledonian Rd Occupation: Pit Sinker ED: 15 Household schedule number: 9 Line: 17 Roll: CSSCT1901_255 Household Members: Name Age William Wylie 48 Elizabeth Wylie 52 Jeanie Wylie 23 William Wylie 18 Elizabeth Wylie 16 Maggie Wylie 11
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Andrew729
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25 Jun 2012 09:19 |
catherine, looks right to me/ thank you so much. you are pretty speedy! now why couldn't I do that?
Andrew
:-)
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Catherine
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25 Jun 2012 09:27 |
Don't worry Andrew I've been doing this family tree lark for several years now. I wasn't always so quick and I did find when I started that it is better to walk before you run. You have already learned one of the most important leasons, that is to always check your info fully and never take things on face value. You will need to buy a couple of certificates along the way to validate your findings, that's when it begins to get expensive, but absolutely necessary if you want your tree to be 100% correct. For example, if you want to find the parents of Elizabeth, then you will need her marriage certificate to find out her father's name and occupation which will help confirm any earlier census records. :-)
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Catherine
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25 Jun 2012 09:34 |
Andrew, I have just noticed something from your posting :-
elizabeth married william wylie on december 31, 1842 in carluke, lanarkshire, scotland
If they married in 1842 then this could not be your family as the couple weren't even born in 1842? From 1881 census, they had their first child in 1873 so do you mean 1872?
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Catherine
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25 Jun 2012 09:43 |
For info:-
Name:Thomas Wiley Gender:Male Birth Date:23 Jul 1873 Birthplace:CARLUKE,LANARK,SCOTLAND
Father's Name:William Wiley Mother's Name:Elizabeth Jameson
Indexing Project (Batch) Number:C11629-1 System Origin:Scotland-ODM Source Film Number:6035516
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Catherine
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25 Jun 2012 09:45 |
Name:William Wylie Gender:Male Birth Date:26 Apr 1881 Birthplace:Cambusnethan, Lanark, Scotland
Father's Name:William Wylie Mother's Name:Betsy Jamieson
Indexing Project (Batch) Number:C01900-1 System Origin:Scotland-EASy Source Film Number:232668
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Catherine
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25 Jun 2012 09:55 |
For Scottish BMD you need the web site (scotlandspeople.gov.uk) After a quick search, I have found a marriage between a William Wylie and and Elizabeth Jamieson in 1873, Carluke, Lanarkshire, but, you have to pay to view so I can't look at the results as I don't have any credits. Scottish records usually give you much more information than English ones so they are well worth investing in. You may very well find that the couples father and mother's names will be on the record which is a great help.
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Catherine
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25 Jun 2012 10:11 |
there are several possible entries in the census records for Elizabeth, but this one is Carluke:-
1861 Scotland Censusabout Betsy Jamieson Name: Betsy Jamieson Age: 15 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846 Relationship: Daughter Father's Name: Andrew Jamieson Mother's name: Jane Jamieson Gender: Female Where born: Carluke, Lanark Registration number: 629 Registration district: Carluke Civil parish: Carluke County: Lanarkshire Address: Clyde Street ED: 1 Household schedule number: 23 Line: 23 Roll: CSSCT1861_93 Household Members: Name Age Andrew Jamieson 47 - born: Carluke, Lanark (Occupation: Carter) Jane Jamieson 45 - born: Lesmahagow, Lanark Jane Jamieson 20 James Jamieson 15 Betsy Jamieson 15 Andrew Jamieson 11 Alexander Jamieson 8 Margaret Jamieson 5
...............you could put this on file untill you have the marriage cert. which should confirm, or not, father's name and occupation.
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Catherine
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25 Jun 2012 10:14 |
Same family in 1851 and date of birth is now 1848:-
1851 Scotland Censusabout Betsy Jamieson Name: Betsy Jamieson Age: 3 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1848 Relationship: Daughter Father's Name: Andrew Jamieson Mother's name: Jane Jamieson Gender: Female Where born: Carluke, Lanark Parish Number: 629 Civil parish: Carluke Town: Carluke County: Lanarkshire Address: Clyde Street ED: 3 Page: 18 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 68 Line: 19 Roll: CSSCT1851_150 Household Members: Name Age Andrew Jamieson 36 - Occupation: Carter Jane Jamieson 34 - born: Stonehouse, Lanark Jane Jamieson 9 James Jamieson 5 Betsy Jamieson 3 Andrew Jamieson 1 Jane Thomson 14 ....................................
1881 Scotland Censusabout Jane Jamieson Name: Jane Jamieson Age: 66 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1815 Relationship: Head Gender: Female Where born: Lesmahagow, Lanarksh Registration number: 629 Registration district: Carluke Civil parish: Carluke Town: Carluke County: Lanarkshire Address: Stewart St. ED: 2 Household schedule number: 82 Line: 10 Roll: cssct1881_208 Household Members: Name Age Jane Jamieson 66 Andrew Jamieson 27
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Catherine
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25 Jun 2012 10:24 |
1871 Scotland Censusabout Andrew Jamieson Name: Andrew Jamieson Age: 52 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1819 Relationship: Head Spouse's name : Jane H Jamieson Gender: Male Where born: Carluke, Lanarkshire Registration number: 629 Registration district: Carluke Civil parish: Carluke County: Lanarkshire Address: Heigh House Row ED: 1A Household schedule number: 357 Line: 24 Roll: CSSCT1871_120 Household Members: Name Age Andrew Jamieson 52 Jane H Jamieson 50 - born: Pathhead, Lanarkshire Andrew Jamieson 19 Alexander Jamieson 17 ..................................................
1881 Scotland Censusabout Jane Jamieson Name: Jane Jamieson Age: 66 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1815 Relationship: Head Gender: Female Where born: Lesmahagow, Lanarksh Registration number: 629 Registration district: Carluke Civil parish: Carluke Town: Carluke County: Lanarkshire xxxx Address: Stewart St. xxxx ED: 2 Household schedule number: 82 Line: 10 Roll: cssct1881_208 Household Members: Name Age Jane Jamieson 66 Andrew Jamieson 27
(Note:- Now living Stewart St.) .......................................
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Andrew729
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25 Jun 2012 10:27 |
Catherine, back to the future! you are right. I have credits on scotland's people and william and elizabeth were married on dec 31, 1872. I guess the assistant registrar, one thomas steele, has a peculiar way of writing the # 7. if you're interested william's parents were thomas wylie, ironstone miner, and agnes wylie - ms rogers. elizabeth, also known as betsy, her parents were andrew jamieson, a potato merchant, and elizabeth jamieson - ms orr.
thanks for keeping me on the straight and narrow.
andrew
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Catherine
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25 Jun 2012 10:32 |
this looks to be the baptism for the above Betsey:-
Name: Betsy Jamieson Gender: Female Baptism/Christening Date: Baptism/Christening Place: Birth Date: 11 Jan 1847 Birthplace: , CARLUKE, LANARK, SCOTLAND Father's Name: Andrew Jamieson
Mother's Name: Jean Fairservice
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C11629-4
System Origin: Scotland-ODM Source Film Number: 1042969
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Catherine
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25 Jun 2012 10:34 |
Oh! Just read your posting Andrew. So the family I found can't be her if her mother was Elizabeth? Never mind :-(
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