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ive no idea why she signed rogers gins thanks and lancashireann and rest

I read them Gins

what puzzles me is why she should sign as a witness on that 1909 marriage as Rogers when she had been married for 8 years as Donougher. Could the witness have been the 2nd Elizabeth Alice Bertha born in 1896?

Am I writing in invisible ink!

lancashireann yes elizabeth alice bertha was born canada as her father was a seaman and based in canada then came home had more children and my grandad being one of then born 1886

that birthplace could be Quebec GB

Anyone remember being taught to write the capital letter Q looking rather like the figure 2?

The enumerator did seem to like ornate letters

in case you do not have it the exact details of her baptism showing where they lived

Baptisms: 4 Oct 1896 St George, Everton, Lancashire, England
Elizabeth Alice Bertha Rogers - Child of Arthur Rogers & Jane
Born: 30 Aug 1896
Abode: 23 Nicholson Street
Occupation: Labourer
Baptised by: Jo. T. Devall
Register: Baptisms 1896 - 1899, Page 3, Entry 20
Source: LDS Film 2147913



edit - obviously not your Elizabeth if yours was born in Canada in 1877

Johns service records on online and the marriage details as below


British Army WWI Pension Records 1914-1920
Name: John Donougher
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Age at enlistment: 34
Birth Parish: Kirkdale
Birth County: Lancashire
Document Year: 1914
Regimental Number: 37832
Regiment Name: Royal Army Medical Corps
Number of images: 13

Children:

William 31/07/03
John 08/01/07
Ernest 11/03/10
Elizabeth 05/10/01
Margaret 03/05/12
Joseph 26/10/14?<<<<<<hard to read


Marriage 5/6/1901

Witnesses:

W Donougher
M Rogers

cos the certificate is from 1909 and very faint its the original marriage i got of my grandad james rogers,, john donougher and elizabeth a b rogers were there witinesses,, and grandads daughter were names after elizabeth as ive aunt elizabeth and my mums alice bertha ,,,elizabeth a b rogers was my grandads sister

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Well done safc.............. :-D

So why was the information about John Donougher being a witness on a marriage cert not given

Hardly think she died recently if born 1877 ish

safc that sounds like then john donougher and elizabeth a b rogers i checked my nans marriage lines and her witnesses were john donougher and elizabeth a b rogers so oks like right family i spoke to a cousin earlier today and she said berth resently died must of been a good old age

????

Name: Elizabeth A. Rogers
Title:
Gender: Female
Age: 4y
Calculated Birth Year: 1877
Birthplace: Quebec
Marital Status:
Occupation:
Ethnic Origin: English
Religion: Ch of Eng
Head of Household: Samuel Rogers
Born During Last Year:
Census Place: Ascot, Sherbrooke, Quebec, Canada
District Number: 55
Sub District: F
Division: 1
Page Number: 63
House Number: 1017091
Family Number: 281
Digital Folder Number: 4463498
Image Number: 00309
Film Number: 1375835
Library and Archives Canada Film Number: C-13199
Household Gender Age Birthplace
Samuel Rogers M 31y England
Elizabeth Rogers F 30y England
Edward Rogers M 11y England
Arthr Rogers M 9y England
George Rogers M 7y Quebec
Elizabeth A. Rogers F 4y Quebec
Eliner C. Rogers F 2y Quebec
Ellen Rogers F 8m Quebec
James Hardwick M 24y England
William Smith M 23y England

In case it is relevant

Name: Elizabeth A B Swift
Birth Date: abt 1879
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1934
Age at Death: 55
Registration district: West Derby
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8b
Page: 548

Groom's Name: Henry Wilkinson Swift
Groom's Birth Date: 1887
Groom's Birthplace:
Groom's Age: 32
Bride's Name: Elizabeth Alice Bertha Donougher
Bride's Birth Date: 1879
Bride's Birthplace:
Bride's Age: 40
Marriage Date: 30 Aug 1919
Marriage Place: St. Mary, Kirkdale, Lancaster, England
Groom's Father's Name: Henry Swift
Groom's Mother's Name:
Bride's Father's Name: Samuel Rogers
Bride's Mother's Name:
Groom's Race:
Groom's Marital Status: Widowed
Groom's Previous Wife's Name:
Bride's Race:
Bride's Marital Status: Widowed
Bride's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M01172-6
System Origin: England-EASy
Source Film Number: 1545944
Reference Number: Item 3 Page 52

England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2006
about Elizabeth A B Swift
Name: Elizabeth A B Swift
Birth Date: abt 1879
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1934
Age at Death: 55
Registration district: West Derby
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8b
Page: 548

England & Wales, Marriage Index: 1916-2005
about Elizabeth A B Donougher
Name: Elizabeth A B Donougher
Spouse Surname: Swift
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1919
Registration district: West Derby
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume Number: 8b
Page Number: 829

Following on from the marriage posted by safc

1911

Name: Bertha Donougher
Age in 1911: 32
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1879
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Province of Unebee
Civil parish: Kirkdale
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address: 26 Crete Street
Marital Status: Married
Registration district: West Derby
Registration District Number: 455
Sub-registration district: Kirkdale
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Piece: 22444
Household Members: Name Age
John Donougher 33
Bertha Donougher 32
Elizabeth Ann Donougher 9
William Donougher 7
John Donougher 4
Ernest Donougher 11/12

5 children - 4 still alive

Birth place could be Quebec but does not really look like it on image

Have you actually found her in 1911 as a single person ?

????

Marriages Jun 1901 (>99%)
BRINE Alexander Verner W. Derby 8b 745
Cartmel Mary Emma W. Derby 8b 745
DONOUGHER John W. Derby 8b 745 xxxxxx
Rogers Elizabeth Alice B W. Derby 8b 745 xxxx

ncashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1901
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
ROGERS Elizabeth A DONOUGHER John Kirkdale, St. Mary Liverpool 2013WD/22/94

this could be elizabeth who married in 1916

Name: Elizabeth Alice Bertha Rogers
Gender: Female
Baptism/Christening Date: 04 Oct 1896
Baptism/Christening Place: St. George, Everton, Lancashire, England
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: Arthur Rogers
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Jane
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I01856-2
System Origin: England-EASy
Source Film Number: 2147913
Reference Number: yr 1813-1902 p 3