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Gwynedd Archives are in Anglesey and Caernafon
Mavis
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This may help.
See also: Kingdom of Gwynedd
Gwynedd was an independent kingdom from the end of the Roman period until the 13th Century when it was conquered and subjugated by England. The modern Gwynedd was one of eight Welsh counties originally created on 1 April 1974 under the Local Government Act 1972, based on the principal territory of the former realm. It covered the entirety of the old counties of Anglesey, and Caernarfonshire along with all of Merionethshire apart from Edeirnion Rural District (which went to Clwyd), and also a few parishes in Denbighshire: Llanrwst, Llansanffraid Glan Conwy, Eglwysbach, Llanddoged, Llanrwst and Tir Ifan.
The county was divided into five districts: Aberconwy, Arfon, Dwyfor, Meirionnydd and Anglesey.
The Local Government (Wales) Act 1994 abolished the 1974 county (and the five districts) on 1 April 1996, and its area was divided: the Isle of Anglesey became an independent unitary authority, and Aberconwy (which included the former Denbighshire parts) passed to the new Conwy County Borough. The remainder of the county was constituted a principal area with the name Caernarfonshire and Merionethshire, reflecting that it covered most of the areas of those two counties. As one of its first actions, the Council renamed itself Gwynedd on 2 April 1996. The present Gwynedd local government area is governed by Gwynedd Council. As a unitary authority the modern entity no longer has any districts, but Arfon, Dwyfor and Meirionnydd remain in use as area committees.
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Possible as father is a Farmer ????
1911 Wales Census about John Owen
Name: John Owen
Age in 1911: 17
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1894
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Llandyfrydog, Anglesey, Wales
Civil parish: Llandyfrydog
County/Island: Anglesey
Country: Wales
Street Address: Bryn Hyfryd Llandyfrydog Nr Llanerchymedd Anglesey Nr Wales
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: Farmers Son Working On Farm
Registration district: Anglesey
Registration District Number: 633
Sub-registration district: Amlwch
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Household schedule number: 40
Piece: 34579
Household Members:
Name Age
John Owen 52 - Farmer - (1859) Birth Place: Amlwch, Anglesey, Wales
William Owen 20
John Owen 17
Elizabeth Owen 15
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same family in 1891 (just in case)
1901 Wales Census about John Owen
Name: John Owen
Age in 1901: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1894
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John Owen
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Owen
Gender: Male
Where born: Llandyfrydog, Anglesey, Wales
Civil parish: Llandyfrydog
Ecclesiastical parish: Llandyfrydog St Tyfrydog
County/Island: Caernarvonshire
Country: Wales
Street Address: View image
Condition as to marriage: View image
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: View image
Registration district: Anglesey
Sub-registration district: Amlwch
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 7
Piece: 5293
Folio: 141
Page Number: 1
Household Members:
Name Age
John Owen 40 - Farmer, own account
Elizabeth Owen 35 - born: Llecheynfarwy, Anglesey, Wales (1866)
William Owen 10
John Owen 7
Elizabeth Owen 5
How do you know that John Robert was born Gwynnd ?
1891
1891 Wales Census about John Owen
Name: John Owen
Age: 32
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Owen
Gender: Male
Where born: Amlwch, Anglesey, Wales
Civil parish: Llandyfrydog
Ecclesiastical parish: Llandyfrydog
Town: Nebo
County/Island: Anglesey
Country: Wales
Street Address: View image
Condition as to marriage: View image
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: View image
Registration district: Anglesey
Sub-registration district: Llandyfrydog
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4677
Folio: 6
Page Number: 6
Household Members:
Name Age
John Owen 32
Elizabeth Owen 26
William Owen 4/12
.................still calling himself just John so no proof that he had a second name. You would need the marriage certificate to see if he did have a middle name Robert?
Any idea if he had any siblings?
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Is the marriage certificate the only evidence that you have for John Robert Owen being the father of John Owen???
If not, what other evidence do you have?
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Name: Gladys Dora Phillips
Birth Year: abt 1898
Age: 20
Marriage or Bann Date: 23 Dec 1918
Parish: Longfleet
Father's Name: Henry James Phillips
Spouse's Name: John Owen - age 24
Spouse's Father's Name: John Robert Owen
John is a fitter and just gives address as Longfleet – father John Robert is a farmer. Witnesses appear to be her relatives
Gladys is easily found on 1901 and 1911 census
Name: Gladys Dora Phillips
Baptism Date: 29 Jan 1899
Parish: Longfleet
Father's Name: Henry James Phillips
Mother's Name: Ruth Phillips
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Do you have the 1918 marriage cert to show the occupation of the father
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Gwynnd came into being according to FreeBMD from Jun 1974 for registrations. I don't know enough about the area to work out which reg district to go for in 1873.
I'm trawling through the 1901 but there are a lot of pages. If you know a more specific place of birth that would help.
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Hi All as you can imagine finding the right John Robert Owen is very hard.He would on been born in Gwynnd Wales around 1873 or before. He had a son John Owen in 1893 who moved to Bournemouth/Poole and married Gladys Phillips in Longfleet Poole 23/12/1918. Is there anyone who can help with this .
Thank you Purplesand :-)
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