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Thanks for the info. In all the census returns I have located William Turner he doesn't use a middle name (also no middle name listed on James Turner's marriage certificate for his father, just William Turner).

Of course I may be wrong. As I mentioned in my original posting, how to confirm this information if they were born before 1837 and I therefore cannot obtain a birth certificate for James (or his siblings).

Appreciate the time those have spent helping me with this and the look ups they have done - thank you :-)

Using:
https://familysearch.org/search/collection/list#page=1®ion=UNITED_STATES

name: William Turner
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 09 Sep 1792
baptism/christening place: St. Nicholas, Yarmouth, Norfolk, England
birth date: 05 Sep 1792
birthplace: St. Nicholas, Great Yarmouth, Norfolk, England
father's name: Richard Turner
mother's name: Elizabeth Reve
indexing project (batch) number: C02178-0
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1526328
reference number: item 7
Citing this Record
"England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/N1MF-F2N : accessed 01 Oct 2012), William Turner, 05 Sep 1792; citing reference item 7, FHL microfilm 1526328.
[I read the surname as Rede at:
England, Norfolk Parish Registers, 1538-1900 > Yarmouth St Nicholas > Baptisms > 1792-1794 > Image 15 of 55]

But why not this one:
name: William Chingles Turner
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 16 May 1793
baptism/christening place: Yarmouth, Norfolk, England
father's name:
mother's name: Anne
indexing project (batch) number: I04609-3
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1545226
reference number: Item 11
Citing this Record
"England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NFCW-14L : accessed 01 Oct 2012), William Chingles Turner, 16 May 1793; citing reference Item 11, FHL microfilm 1545226.
[Image says BB(=base born, i.e., illegitimate) of Anne at:
England, Norfolk Parish Registers, 1538-1900 > Yarmouth St Nicholas > Baptisms > 1792-1794 > Image 29 of 55]

I have not been able to locate a birth for him (James Turner) even though I know he was born in St George Hanover Square and his father was William Turner and we have him confirmed on at least the 1841, 1861, 1871, 1881 and 1891 census.

Maddie - yes I guess that could be him in 1851. Thanks!

James' father William Turner was indeed a basket maker. However I have located William Turner in 1851 though living at 5 Queen Street, St George Hanover Square.

What about this one ? Could this be your James who married Caroline ?
No christian names for couple


1851

--- Turner 57 - Basket maker - Middlesex
--- Turner 55 - Basket maker - Essex
Elizabet Turner 24
Thomas Turner 21
John Turner 19
James Turner 17
--- Webb 18 - lodger

COULD THIS BE HIM
FARRANCE, William Head M 28 1823 Boot Maker
Saint George, Middlesex VIEW
, Ann Wife F 28 1823
VIEW
TURNER, James Lodger Unmarried M 18 1833 Boot Maker
London, Middlesex VIEW
RENTON, John Lodger Unmarried M 17 1834 Painter
Chelsea, Middlesex VIEW
EVANS, William Lodger Unmarried M 27 1824 Servant
Haverfordwest, Pembrokeshire VIEW

Piece: 1477

Folio: 244

Page: 29

Registration District: Saint George Hanover Square

Civil Parish: Saint George

Municipal Borough: Westminster

Address: 7, Pasmore Street, Saint George, Westminster

County: Middlesex

Hi - yes, I believe the James Turner you point out in the 1841 census is indeed correct.

I am yet to locate James on the 1851 census, as you point out he is not with his family.

Thanks!

Parish Records Collection marriage


Year:1824

Supplied Surname:MANSFIELD

Surname:MANSFIELD

Full First name:Mary

Supplied First Name:Mary

Spouse Surname:TURNER

Spouse Full First name:William

Spouse First Name:Wm

Place:WESTMINSTER (ST GEORGE HANOVER SQUARE)

County:London

Record source:Boyd's Marriage Index 1538-1840

Data provider:Society of Genealogists

Transcriptions © Society of Genealogists

the family 1851 w/o James
TURNER, William Head Married M 64 1787 Basket Maker
Yarmouth, Norfolk VIEW
TURNER, Mary Wife Married F 57 1794 Basket Maker
Spitalfields, Middlesex VIEW
TURNER, Mary A Daughter Unmarried F 20 1831
St Georges, Middlesex VIEW
TURNER, Charles Son Unmarried M 18 1833 Gorter
St Georges, Middlesex VIEW

Piece: 1475

Folio: 231

Page: 16

Registration District: Saint George Hanover Square

Civil Parish: Saint George Hanover Square

Municipal Borough: Westminster

Address: 5, Queen Street, Saint George Hanover Square, Westminster

County: Middlesex
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William Turner
Birth: 5/9/1792 (5 Sep 1792) - Norfolk
Marriage: 10/4/1824 (10 Apr 1824)
Death: 10/1/1867 (10 Jan 1867)
Parents: Richard Turner, Elizabeth Rede
Spouse: Mary Ann Mansfield


No sources given

For our reference, is this who you think is your James ?


1841 - St George Hanover Square. Middlesex

William Turner 45 - Basket maker - Not born in County
William Turner 15
Mary Turner 45
Mary A Turner 10
John Turner 13
Charles Turner 8
James Turner 6 - Born Middlesex <<<<<<<<<<



Remember William's and Mary's ages will have been rounded down in 1841 so they could be up to 4 years older than stated

1881 3 Seymour St, Depford

James Turner 46 - Cheese Monger's shopman
Caroline Turner 44
James Turner 20
Elizabeth Turner 13
Annie M. Turner 11
Henry J. Turner 9
Robt. Chas. Turner 6

Hello there,

I am hoping someone may be able to help me locate my 4x great grandfather’s birth please. His name is James Turner and according to the various census I have looked at, he was born in 1835 in St George Hanover Square, Middlesex. I appreciate he was born before 1837, so I will be unable to get a birth certificate. I have located him on the 1841, 1861, 1871, 1881 and 1891 census.

I do however have his marriage certificate to Caroline Maskell. His occupation is listed as Cheesemonger and his father is listed as William Turner, who I have located on the 1841, 1851, 1861 and 1871 census (occupation Basket Maker). I am also trying to determine William’s first wife (James’ mother) who appears on the 1841 and 1851 census with him. Her name is Mary and her DOB varies from 1794-1796. She was born in Spitalfields, Middlesex.

Again, William’s DOB varies on the census, but I think perhaps this may be him – William Turner, 1792, Yarmouth, Norfolk (making his parents according to Familysearch Richard Turner and Elizabeth Rede). I have also found some siblings with the same parents.

How do I confirmation this information if I am unable to get certificates before 1837 please?

Thank you in advance for your assistance.
Danni