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Hi Kathleen . The Cardiff marriage you have says September . The cardiff cetificate I have says 15th July. :-SIs there another cardiff one?

.Hi Kathleen. Their ages on the 1911 census are 31 and 32 The ages on the certificate 14 years earlier are John 29 and Elizabeth 26. which would make them 43 and 40 in 1911.Too old

Sorry. Should have been . The first son was Fred. :-S

Hi Adaline . The First son was . I know that is the correct list as they were My great Uncles and Aunts and Grandmother. Where did you find that list . I had the one with Cambridge on that Kathleen found

Yes. That's the family. I 've been trying to figure out how to post the census pic here ,but could'nt do it . My Grandmother was the Martha Thomas mentioned , but on her Birth Certificate she was Margaret Mary

Just an idea, does the name of the first son of John and Elizabeth match that of either father named on the Cardiff marriage certificate?

This could be clue as to whether it's the right marriage.

How do you know that the Cardiff marriage that you found is the wrong one? If it is because the couple say they are older than they actually should be then perhaps they were under 21 and did not have their parents consent.

If you have the 1897 marriage certificate what occupation did it give for John?

Kath. x

Is this the family in 1911 (says married 14 years)?:-

1911 census transcription details for: 6 Greenfield Terrace Maesteg

National Archive Reference:
RG14PN32533 RG78PN1858 RD591 SD1 ED8 SN100
Reg. District: Bridgend
Sub District: Maesteg
Parish: Cwmdu
Enum. District: 8

Address: 6 Greenfield Terrace Maesteg
County: Glamorganshire

Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born

THOMAS, John Head Married M 32 1879 Engineman Underground Cambridge
THOMAS, Elizabeth Wife Married 14 years F 31 1880 Housewife Bridgend Glam
THOMAS, Fred Son Single M 12 1899 School Bridgend Glam
THOMAS, Alfred Son M 10 1901 School Bridgend Glam
THOMAS, William Son M 8 1903 School Bridgend Glam
THOMAS, Martha Daughter F 6 1905 School Bridgend Glam
THOMAS, Lilly Daughter F 4 1907 Maesteg Glam
THOMAS, Sarah Margaret Daughter F 0 (2 MONTHS) 1911 Maesteg Glam

Kath. x

1911 census:

Name: John Thomas (born Cowbridge)
Age in 1911: 32
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1879
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Civil parish: Cwmdu
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Street Address: 6 Greenfield Ter Maesteg
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 14
Estimated Marriage Year: 1897
Occupation: Engine
Registration district: Bridgend
Registration District Number: 591
Sub-registration district: Maesteg
ED, institution, or vessel: 08
Household schedule number: 100
Piece: 32533
Household Members: Name Age
John Thomas 32
Elizabeth Thomas 31
Fred Thomas 12
Alfred Thomas 10
William Thomas 8
Martha Thomas 6
Lilly Thomas 4
Sarah Margaret Thomas 2/12

Can you post the census details you have for them as I can't find them?

Kath. x

These are the ones on FreeBMD between 1895 and 1905:-

Marriages Jun 1896 (>99%)

Richards Elizabeth Llanelly 11a 1442
Richards Elizabeth Llandovery 11a 1474

Marriages Sep 1897 (>99%)
RICHARDS Elizabeth Ann Cardiff 11a 526

Marriages Sep 1900 (>99%)
Richards Elizabeth Merthyr T. 11a 1058

Kath. x

Trying to find the wedding of my Great Grandparents
. John Thomas born 1879 and Elizabeth Richards born 1880 Possibly married around 1897 . Their first child was born in 1899
John Thomas was born in Cowbridge ,as you can see on the Census form but the transcription page here has been misread as Cambridge . Elizabeth was born in Bridgend.
The family thinks they would have been married in a Chapel . (probably Plymouth Brethren ) which is no longer here.
Bridgend Registry Office cannot trace a marriage . Neither could the History society in the library.
I have found a marriage in 1897 in Cardiff,but the ages do not match.As they are such comman names I cannot go back further as there are three possible families with a John Thomas all the same age . and I do not have his parent's names. Hoping a wedding certificate would give me his fathers name.