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Kathleen

Kathleen Report 28 Nov 2012 14:01

My Aunt and I are doing this together - but we have come to a stop re George Sumpter (that I found re marriage to a Susannah Steed (her father was Richard Smith - Nevell (can anyone explain the different names? Maybe it was a second girls name like Hilary was a boy's name?)

Anyway - George was the 2nd son of John Sumpter Esq. from Whetstone ,Middlesex. but cannot find records. From the Oppisite side - from 1701 in Dammeral - and have traced the family, but not the line.
Any help greatly appreciated!
Also on Richard Smith-Newell sent to Sth Australia as a Master stair case. One of his still complete! :-)

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 28 Nov 2012 14:04

Dates for George?

Either Susannah was illegitimate...........or she'd been married before

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 28 Nov 2012 14:11

"From the Oppisite side - from 1701 in Dammeral - and have traced the family, but not the line"

What does this mean?

MargaretM

MargaretM Report 28 Nov 2012 15:01

What on earth is a master stair case?

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 28 Nov 2012 15:02

I didn't dare to ask..............!

...........especially as it was followed by........... "One of his still complete"

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 28 Nov 2012 15:09

Think some could be Australia related, looking at Richard Smith Newell on google...

(also some mentions in below newspapers. AUS.)

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/search?adv=y

Chris :)

edits (of course, he is only half the query!)


Name: George Sumpter (a possible?)
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 12 Jul 1836
Father's Name: John Sumpter
Mother's Name: Emma Sumpter
Parish or Poor Law Union: Sunbury on Thames St Mary
County: Surrey
Register Type: Bishop's Transcript

MargaretM

MargaretM Report 28 Nov 2012 15:18

A tree on Familysearch says that Susannah Smith Newell, born 1839 married George Sumpter. Gives her parents as Richard Smith Newell and Susannah Steed. She had a brother Richard Steed Newell born 1841.

MargaretM

MargaretM Report 28 Nov 2012 15:21

???
1841 England Census
about Susanna Newell Name: Susanna Newell
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1839
Gender: Female
Where born: Scotland

Civil parish: Sub Deanery
Hundred: Chichester
County/Island: Sussex
Country: England

Registration district: Chichester
Sub-registration district: Chichester
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1119
Book: 12
Folio: 50
Page Number: 23
Household Members: Name Age
Charlotte Steed 45
Charlotte Steed 20
James Steed 15
Caroline Steed 15
Susanna Newell 2
Alice Hawkins 45

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 28 Nov 2012 17:02

Yes Chris, the OP said Richard was 'sent to Australia', so that will tally nicely

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 28 Nov 2012 17:06

1851 England Census

Name: Charlotte Steed
Age: 58
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1793
Relation: Mother-in-law
Gender: F (Female)
Where born: Chichester, Sussex, England
Civil parish: Chichester All Saints
County/Island: Sussex
Country: England

Registration district: Chichester
Sub-registration district: Sutton
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 20
Piece: 1653
Folio: 375
Page Number: 7
Household Members:
Name Age
Richard Newell 34***********Churn Maker & Turner
Susanna S Newell 12
Richd L Newell 10
Albert Newell 7
Frederick Newell 4
Charlotte Steed 58
Charlotte Steed 31
Caroline Steed 28

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 28 Nov 2012 17:07

Why do people think we're mindreaders?

Susanna Steed Newell
Australia Marriage Index, 1788-1950

Susanna Steed Sumpter
New Zealand, Electoral Rolls, 1853-1981

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 28 Nov 2012 17:08

England & Wales Christening Records, 1530-1906

Name: Susanna Steed Newell
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 26 Mar 1839
Christening Place: Chichester, Sussex, England
Father's Name: Richard Newell
Mother's Name: Susan

STEED was one of her FORENAMES.........a fact which was NOT made clear in the original post

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 28 Nov 2012 17:10

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915

Name: Richard Steed Newell
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1841
Registration district: Westhampnett
Inferred County: Sussex
Volume: 7
Page: 523

Richard Steed Newell
Australia Marriage Index, 1788-1950
Emily Hornsby
Australia Marriage Index, 1788-1950


Richard Steed Newell
Australia Death Index, 1787-1985

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 28 Nov 2012 17:21


Albert Newell
England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
Martha Elizabeth Le Sauvage
Australia Marriage Index, 1788-1950
Albert Newell
Australia Death Index, 1787-1985

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 28 Nov 2012 17:25

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921

Name: John Sumpter
Spouse Name: Emma Katherine Youngman
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 28 Sep 1829
Parish: Sunbury on Thames St Mary
Borough: Parishes Not in a Borough
County: Surrey
Register Type: Bishop's Transcript

Witnesses: Maria Youngman, and J Youngman

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 28 Nov 2012 17:30

Jessica Sumpter 28 Sep 1830 John Sumpter,
Emma Sumpter Sunbury on Thames St Mary Richmond upon Thames

Mary Emma Sumpter 8 Feb 1832 John Sumpter,
Emma Sumpter Sunbury on Thames St Mary Richmond upon Thames

Walter Sumpter 10 Jul 1834 John Sumpter,
Emma Sumpter Sunbury on Thames St Mary

George Sumpter 12 Jul 1836 John Sumpter,
Emma Sumpter Sunbury on Thames St Mary Richmond upon Thames

This reinforces the idea that these records are the correct family, as George was the SECOND son

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 28 Nov 2012 17:34

England & Wales Marriages, 1538-1940

Name: Richard Newell
Gender: Male
Spouse's Name: Susan Steed
Marriage Date: 19 Oct 1835
Marriage Place: Chichester, Sussex, England
--------------------------------------------------------------------

England & Wales Christening Records, 1530-1906

Name: Susan Steed
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 16 Aug 1816
Christening Place: Chichester, Sussex, England
Father's Name: Thomas Steed
Mother's Name: Charlotte
--------------------------------------------------------

Susanna Newell
Australia Death Index, 1787-1985

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 28 Nov 2012 17:36

1851 England Census about Susan Newell
Name: Susan Newell
Age: 34
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1817
Relation: Servant
Gender: F (Female)
Where born: Chichester, Sussex, England
Civil parish: West Thorney
County/Island: Sussex
Country: England

Registration district: Westbourne
Sub-registration district: Funtington
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 1
Piece: 1655
Folio: 177
Page Number: 1
Household Members:
Name Age
Frederick Padwick 34
Arethersa Ellen Padwick 32
Frederick Sydney Padwick 7
Edmund Dretham Padwick 3
Charlotte Ellen Padwick 1
Ann Ford 19
Mary Ann Hackett 16
Susan Newell 34

MargaretM

MargaretM Report 28 Nov 2012 18:32

Good work, Reggie!
But did you ever figure out what a "master stair case" was?
Thought it might have something to do with a "Newell" post.

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 28 Nov 2012 19:44

MARGEE!!! -That is a terrible pun (but laughing anyway!)

Australia Marriage Index, 1788-1950
Name: Susanna Steed Newell
Father's Name: Richard Smith Newell
Spouse Name: George Sumpter
Spouse's Father's Name: John Sumpter
Marriage Date: 18 Mar 1858
Marriage Place: Res Of G Sumpter Hindmarsh Island
Registration Place: Encounter Bay, South Australia
Page Number: 431
Volume Number: 33