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Sylvia
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28 Nov 2012 16:47 |
Seeking John Howell b. 1838 Llanelly, Carmarthenshire. Ever grateful. Would be 23 so probably left home, maybe married.
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28 Nov 2012 18:04 |
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John Howells England and Wales Census, 1861 birth: 1837 Llanelly,? Carmarthenshire census: 1861 Aberdare,? Glamorganshire,? Wales name: John Howells event: Census event date: 1861 gender: Male age: 24 relationship to head of household: Head birthplace: Llanelly, Carmarthenshire record type: Household registration district: Merthyr Tydfil sub-district: 4 Aberdare civil parish: Aberdare county: Glamorganshire
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Sylvia
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28 Nov 2012 18:56 |
Not sure of these. Looked at FMP Index and a John Howell b.1838 Llanelly Age 23. fitted the bill. There was no "s" on Howells but perhaps different Indexes. Thank you.
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Mike *
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28 Nov 2012 19:03 |
What was his occupation ?
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1861 - Pembrey, Carmarthenshire
Thomas Howell 51 John Howell 23 - Blacksmith Jane Howell 21 Anne Howell 19 Mary Howell 15 Catherine Howell 12
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1861 - John Howells 24 - CoalMiner - Llanelly, Carmarthenshire Elenor Howells 23 - wife Owen Thomas 20 David Williams 20 William Thomas 18
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alviegal
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28 Nov 2012 20:36 |
This is the one you were looking at. How did you get back to him? Is he an ancestor of yours?
1861 census transcription details for: Barna, Pembrey Print Close
National Archive Reference: RG number: RG09 Piece: 4115 Folio: 12 Page: 19 Reg. District: Llanelly Sub District: 3 Pembrey Parish: Pembrey Enum. District: Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough: Address: Barna, Pembrey County: Carmarthenshire Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born HOWELL, Thomas Head Widower M 51 1810 Copperman Watch Man Glamorgan HOWELL, John Son Unmarried M 23 1838 Blacksmith Glamorgan Morriston HOWELL, Jane Daughter Unmarried F 21 1840 Glamorgan Morriston HOWELL, Anne Daughter F 19 1842 Glamorgan Morriston HOWELL, Mary Daughter F 15 1846 Scholar Glamorgan Morriston HOWELL, Catherine Daughter F 12 1849 Scholar Glamorgan Morriston
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Sylvia
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28 Nov 2012 22:16 |
Thanks alviegal, I don't think he is the one I am looking for. Trying to understand why two sons called John in same family. 1851 Census has Hector and Margaret Howell b.1808 Llanelly. John c.1837 and John c.1849. Have traced John 1849 on 1881 Census living in Llanelly with wife and family. Must be an explanation, both living 1851 Census. Thanks.
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alviegal
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28 Nov 2012 22:22 |
1851 for reference.
1851 census transcription details for: Upper Wern, Llanelly Print Close
National Archive Reference: RG number: HO107 Piece: 2468 Folio: 223 Page: 12 Reg. District: Llanelly Sub District: Llanelly Parish: Llanelly Enum. District: 1D Ecclesiastical District: Borough Hamlet City/Municipal Borough: Llanelly Address: Upper Wern, Llanelly County: Carmarthenshire Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born HOWELL, Hector Head Married M 43 1808 Coal Miner Llanelly, Carmarthenshire HOWELL, Margaret Wife Married F 43 1808 Coal Miner Wife Llanelly, Carmarthenshire >.HOWELL, John Son Unmarried M 14 1837 Pottery Llanelly, Carmarthenshire HOWELL, Margaret Daughter F 8 1843 Scholar Llanelly, Carmarthenshire HOWELL, Elizabeth Daughter F 6 1845 Scholar Llanelly, Carmarthenshire HOWELL, John Son M 2 1849 Llanelly, Carmarthenshire
1861 census transcription details for: Bres Cottages, Greenfields Terrace, Llanelly Print Close
National Archive Reference: RG number: RG09 Piece: 4112 Folio: 36 Page: 18 Reg. District: Llanelly Sub District: 2 Llanelly Parish: Llanelly Enum. District: 6 Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough: Address: Bres Cottages, Greenfields Terrace, Llanelly County: Carmarthenshire Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born HOWELL, Hector Head Widower M 52 1809 Collier Llanelly, Carmarthenshire HOWELL, Margaret Wife Married F 53 1808 Llanelly, Carmarthenshire HOWELL, John Son M 12 1849 Collier Llanelly, Carmarthenshire HOWELL, Joseph Son M 5 1856 Llanelly, Carmarthenshire HOWELL, Elizabeth Daughter F 15 1846 Llanelly, Carmarthenshire DAVID, Elizabeth Mother In Law Widow F 92 1769 Llanelly, Carmarthenshire
1871 census transcription details for: Bres Road, Llanelly Print Close
National Archive Reference: RG number: RG10 Piece: 5466 Folio: 82 Page: 7 Reg. District: Llanelly Sub District: Llanelly Parish: Llanelly Enum. District: 10 Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough: Address: Bres Road, Llanelly County: Carmarthenshire Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born HOWELLS, Hector Head M 60 1811 Carmarthenshire HOWELLS, Magaret Wife F 61 1810 Carmarthenshire HOWELLS, Elizabeth Daughter F 25 1846 Carmarthenshire HOWELLS, John Son M 22 1849 Carmarthenshire HOWELLS, Joseph Son M 15 1856 Carmarthenshire
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alviegal
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28 Nov 2012 22:34 |
1841 census transcription details for: Wern, Llanelly Print Close
National Archive Reference: RG number: HO107 Piece: 1379 Book/Folio: 6/37 Page: 25 Reg. District: Llanelly Sub District: Llanelly Parish: Llanelly Enum. District: Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough: Llanelly Address: Wern, Llanelly County: Carmarthenshire Name Relation Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born HOWELL, Hector M 25 1816 Carmarthenshire HOWELL, Margaret F 30 1811 Carmarthenshire HOWELL, Anne F 5 1836 Carmarthenshire HOWELL, Margaret F 3 1838 Carmarthenshire HOWELL, William M 0 (3 months) 1841 Carmarthenshire
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Mike *
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28 Nov 2012 22:35 |
It could be that Margaraet was married before with a son John.
I'm more dubious about son Joseph born 1856.
Can't see it being Margaret's son, she would have been nearly 50
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alviegal
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28 Nov 2012 22:45 |
I thought of that as well Mike but here is the parents' marriage.
Parish Record Collection - Marriage Record Print Close Grooms Last Name: Howell Grooms First Name: Hector Grooms Fathers First Name: Grooms Fathers Last Name: Grooms Parish: Llanelly Grooms Age: Brides Last Name: David Brides First Name: Margaret Brides Fathers First Name: Brides Fathers Last Name: Brides Parish: Llanelly Brides Age: County: Carmarthenshire Place / Parish: Dafen Marriage Year: 1835 Marriage Month: Aug Marriage Day: 7
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Sylvia
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29 Nov 2012 17:14 |
Hi, Thank you for your thoughts, still wondering about children but notice you have Widower after Hector instead of Married on 1861 Census. It is possible for Margaret at age 48 to have Joseph but more likely a Grandson. Needs more investigating. Thank you for your time and work. I have been able to send for D.Cert of 3xGrt Grandmother due to finding her with Margaret her daughter on 1861 Census. She died 1863 so that was a bonus. Many thanks.
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alviegal
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29 Nov 2012 21:24 |
Hi Sylvia
Well noticed about the widower bit on the 1861. I have checked it and it should read married. have done a correction.
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alviegal
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29 Nov 2012 21:28 |
Anne's is the only christening showing on familysearch.
Parents: Hector Howell,? Margaret name: Ann Howell gender: Female baptism/christening date: 23 May 1838 baptism/christening place: LLANELLY,CARMARTHEN,WALES father's name: Hector Howell mother's name: Margaret indexing project (batch) number: C05926-1 system origin: Wales-ODM source film number: 105163, 105164
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Sylvia
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2 Dec 2012 12:56 |
Hi, thank you for further info. on Howells family. Waiting for D/Cert of Margaret's Mother (my connection). I have info on 1851 Census of Elizabeth David age 78 at Bres, Llanelly. This is from a Transcripted CD of 1851 Census which does not give full info. or relationships (hopeless). With Elizabeth there is a Grandson (I know he is grandson by age) but my request is that there is another person David David age 63. Would someone kindly look him up and tell me who he is please, I have'nt a clue but must be a relation I should think. Many thanks for any help anyone can give. Sylvia
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Mike *
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2 Dec 2012 13:07 |
1851
David David 63 - Lab - Llanarthney, Carmarthenshire Elizabeth David 78 - wife William David 17 - grandson
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Sylvia
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2 Dec 2012 14:13 |
Oh dear, Thanks Mike, Still confused. I thought Elizabeth was my 3xGrt Grandmother but not so if David her husband as mine was John. So many Elizabeth's but had a suspicion there may have been a David somewhere, being a family name. Will need more research on him. Many thanks.
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Sylvia
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2 Dec 2012 15:03 |
Hi, I seem to have lost my 3xGrt Grandmother on 1851 Census.. Would sks look for Elizabeth David c1869 (birth yr alters every Census) I have her with husband John 1841 Census and she is with her daughter Margaret on 1861 Census. suspect husband John died btwn 1841/51 but would be bonus for searching for D/Cert if he is with her. These names are so common they are a pain. Appreciate all help I can get. Thanks. 1841 Census at Mount Pleasant, Llanelly. 1861 Census at Bres Cottags, Greenfield Terr. Llanelly with daughter Margaret Howell and family.
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Sylvia
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2 Dec 2012 18:34 |
More help please as above.
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alviegal
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2 Dec 2012 20:36 |
Just for reference, as always.
1841 census transcription details for: Mount Pleasant, Llanelly Print Close
National Archive Reference: RG number: HO107 Piece: 1379 Book/Folio: 5/6 Page: 7 Reg. District: Llanelly Sub District: Llanelly Parish: Llanelly Enum. District: Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough: Llanelly Address: Mount Pleasant, Llanelly County: Carmarthenshire Name Relation Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born DAVIDS, John M 75 1766 Carmarthenshire DAVIDS, Elizabeth F 70 1771 Carmarthenshire
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1851 census transcription details for: Bres, Llanelly Print Close
National Archive Reference: RG number: HO107 Piece: 2468 Folio: 218 Page: 2 Reg. District: Llanelly Sub District: Llanelly Parish: Llanelly Enum. District: 1D Ecclesiastical District: Borough Hamlet City/Municipal Borough: Llanelly Address: Bres, Llanelly County: Carmarthenshire Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born DAVID, David Head Married M 63 1788 Lab Llanarthney, Carmarthenshire DAVID, Elizabeth Wife Married F 78 1773 Llangunnor, Carmarthenshire DAVID, William Grand Son Unmarried M 17 1834 Engineer Llanelly, Carmarthenshire
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alviegal
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2 Dec 2012 20:41 |
First marriage?
Parish Record Collection - Marriage Record Print Close Groom's First name: John Groom's Last name: David Groom's Parish: Llanelli, St. Elli Banns Year: - Banns Month: - Banns Day: - Place: Llanelli, St Elli County: Carmarthenshire Page: 114 Bride's First name: Elizabeth Bride's Last name: David Bride's Parish: Llanelli, St. Elli Marriage Year: - Marriage Month: 1806 Marriage Day: Apr
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