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JannieAnnie
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16 Jan 2013 23:29 |
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Thank you for your posts, that definitely ties them together, I can't find another Frederick Peck so the baptism and his birth is 1821/1822, and that agrees (timeline/age) with the death I found in 1895.
I also think I have have found them in 1891 - He is in the Stepney Union Workhouse - and I think she is in Mile End Old Town Workhouse but under the name Matilda Fredericks (not able to find another Matilda Fredericks yet).
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MargaretM
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16 Jan 2013 23:02 |
London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about Frederick Peck Name: Frederick Peck Record Type: Baptism Baptism Date: 24 Mar 1822 Father's Name: Richard Peck Mother's Name: Mary Peck Parish or Poor Law Union: Stepney St Dunstan and All Saints Borough: Tower Hamlets Register Type: Parish Registers Father is a printer.
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16 Jan 2013 22:58 |
Date on the original is 30 Nov. 1846 and her last name is Cattley not Attley:
London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about Frederickc Peck Name: Frederickc Peck [Frederick Peck] Age: Full Age Spouse Name: Matilda Attley Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 30 Nov 1844 Parish: Stepney St Dunstan and All Saints Borough: Tower Hamlets Father Name: Richard Peck Spouse Father Name: Joseph Attley Register Type: Parish Register He's a carman, his father a printer.
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JannieAnnie
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16 Jan 2013 22:24 |
I am still on the Peck trail, and have found what I believe to be the marriage of her parents (Frederick and Matilda). Using FreeBMD, putting in Frederick Peck with spouse first name Matilda, I get a whole 1 result occurring in December 1846, and on the page only one Matilda (Cattley) - think that will probably be them!
So my question for this evening is: How can I (Can I) be sure that I am connecting Emma Peck (circa 1851) to the correct parents - or is this marriage the closest connection I am likely to get?
I've found a baptism for a Frederick in March 1822, but this does not agree with a Frederick death in 1895 (aged 71) or Census - then again whoever registered the death might not have known his age (or for that matter, nor might he). Even if these connect - will they connect to Emma?
Think I've answered my own question, but any other ideas gratefully received.
Thank you
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JannieAnnie
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15 Jan 2013 23:41 |
Yes, think that must be the rest of them.
Thank you
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Andrew
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15 Jan 2013 23:34 |
and possible for rest of family in 1871
Address looks like Johnson St.
1871 England Census about Frederick Peck Name: Frederick Peck Age: 45 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Matilda Peck Gender: Male Where born: Bromley by Bow, Middlesex, England Civil parish: Mile End Old Town Ecclesiastical parish: St Dunstan Town: Mile End Old Town County/Island: London Country: England Registration district: Mile End Old Town Sub-registration district: Mile End Old Town, Eastern ED, institution, or vessel: 32 Household schedule number: 291 Piece: 564 Folio: 152 Page Number: 51 Household Members: Name Age Frederick Peck 45 Matilda Peck 43 Thomas Peck 16 Anna Peck 11 Joseph Peck 9 Alice Peck 6 James Peck 3
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JannieAnnie
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15 Jan 2013 23:31 |
Andy thank you, could be her, will have a look
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JannieAnnie
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15 Jan 2013 23:29 |
Of course, that makes sense and could be the reason I can't find her.
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Andrew
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15 Jan 2013 23:28 |
Possible 1871
1871 England Census about Emma Peck Name: Emma Peck Age: 19 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852 Relation: Servant Gender: Female Where born: Stepney, Middlesex, England Civil parish: St Anne Limehouse County/Island: London Country: England Registration district: Stepney Sub-registration district: Limehouse ED, institution, or vessel: 16 Household schedule number: 178 Piece: 551 Folio: 76 Page Number: 36 Household Members: Name Age George Bonnett 38 Caroline Bonnett 25 Emily Bonnett 5 George Bonnett 4 Edwin Bonnett 2 Emma Peck 19
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MarieCeleste
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15 Jan 2013 23:15 |
Her birth may not have been registered as there was no pressure on parents to do so until around 1874.
(Sorry, I know that doesn't help).
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JannieAnnie
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15 Jan 2013 23:11 |
Still struggling finding a birth (that I am reasonably confident with) for Emma.
Using the 1861 posted by Andy my Emma is with parents and siblings prior to marriage. They are living in Ernest Street which is close to Cologne Street (residence address shown on marriage cert for Emma). Now I need to prove it is is her. I can feel a Birth Cert purchase coming on but can't find a serious contender.
What I 'know'. Emma was aged 24 in 1875 (born circa 1850/1851), Emma on 1861 birth year is 1851 1871 (I have a possibility as a servant) birth year 1853 1881 birth year is 1851 1891 - not found 1901 and 1911 birth year is 1852.
So should be easy to find her (using year range 1849 to 1859) but nothing seems to fit.
The closest certs seem to be in 1857:
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Births Jun 1857 (>99%) Peck Emma Jane Shoreditch 1c 138
Births Dec 1857 (>99%) Peck Emma Amelia Mile End 1c 561
To make it worse there is this possible death
Deaths Dec 1936 (>99%) Owen Emma 84 W.Ham 4a 91 (making her born circa 1852)
I would appreciate some help please - and I know that all of the records I have so far could be based on inaccurate birth year information and she could be an 1857 Emma.
Thank you
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JannieAnnie
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14 Jan 2013 18:57 |
Ah yes definite possibility (didn't try Pack!), thank you - that also helps as I did see a Matilda Emma birth - but ignored it!
Just looked at the list again, two daughters Matilda and Emma, so need to review the births again!!
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Andrew
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14 Jan 2013 18:54 |
Possible for 1861
1861 England Census about Emma Pack Name: Emma Pack [Emma Peck] Age: 8 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: Frederick Pack Mother's Name: Matilda Pack Gender: Female Where born: Bromley, Middlesex, England Civil parish: Stepney County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage: View image Registration district: Mile End Old Town Sub-registration district: Mile End Old Town Eastern ED, institution, or vessel: 26 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 59 Piece: 297 Folio: 33 Page Number: 11 Household Members: Name Age Frederick Pack 37 Matilda Pack 30 Frederick Pack 14 Matilda Pack 10 Emma Pack 8 Thomas Pack 6 Mary Pack 4 Hannah Pack 2 Joseph Pack 1
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JannieAnnie
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14 Jan 2013 18:48 |
I have the marriage certificate for Emma Peck (spinster), she married Charles Owen (bachelor) in October 1875 in Stepney (GRO Ref: 1C 1177). He was 26, father Thomas, they were both Printers; she was 24, father Frederick, a labourer.
I have located them on the following Census records (with burgeoning family):
1881 Census at 8 Dalgleish Place, Limehouse, London (moved to Kirks Place by October 1883) 1891 Census NOT FOUND 1901 Census at 39 Jupps Road, Mile End Old Town, London 1911 Census at 28 Carlton Street, Canning Town, Essex
On the 1881 Emma is shown as born in Bow, on the 1901 and 1911 as born in Stepney – close enough to each other.
So with the above information I thought it would be fairly easy to trace Emma with her parent(s) and possible siblings – but so far I have been unable (I believe) to find her birth or any sign of her prior to her marriage.
Does anyone have any ideas please? I would appreciate some assistance with finding her.
Thank you
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