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Astra Report 24 Jan 2013 06:53

There are two records for him neither of which contain much information although luckily there is a photograph of him on the earlier record. The first is for 1918 to 1921 and the second is 1921 to 1942.
I will attach them to a PM for you.

I have also found one for Charles which has a pic on so I will send that too.

Can't locate anything for George.


MargaretM Report 23 Jan 2013 23:59

Who was the idiot who rr'd this because cane used the word "crap"? According to my Websters Dictionary crap means nonsense or junk.


ErikaH Report 23 Jan 2013 22:44

The Will only proves that Richard was alive when it was drawn up.............not that he was around when it came into force. Unless he was one of the named executors and he fulfilled the function.

And the 'birth' details I posted were DEATHS.

You asked for his death - I would hardly bother looking for birth info


cane Report 23 Jan 2013 19:40

Dear Astra.....i am interested in Richards merchant navy record,what else is there...


cane Report 23 Jan 2013 19:32

t hanks Ramblingrose,yes that is the correct info for 1891. <3
The boys mother (also ) named Elizabeth ann abbott (nee caile) died 1884,samuel remarried Eliazbeth the second
thanks Astra <3
Hi joensey....thank you...But i have samuels will & probate....that was how i discovered that Richard was still alive...No i hadnt thought about that scenario,suppose its worth thinking about...
Thanks every-one
Ahhhh....Reggie,my dear man,i certanly dont feel ashamed by the four letter word that i used....i was in that kinda mood..... :-P....take care Reggie :-) :-) & thanks for the birth details :-)


Jonesey Report 23 Jan 2013 17:48


Basically speaking it appears as if other than spotting him on the 1891 census you do not know a great deal about Richard Abbott. You state that he was alive in 1934 when his father died. Does that mean that he was the informant on his father's death registration or is it a family story that he attended his father's funeral or was a beneficiary of his father's estate?

You also state that he and his brothers served in the merchant navy. Have you considered the possibility that if he were still a merchant seaman between 1939~1945 that he may, like so many other merchant seamen, have perished during WW2?


Astra Report 23 Jan 2013 16:51

This is the family in 1881. On Richards merchant Seaman records he gives his birth place as Layter so it could be Layton..

1881 census transcription details for: East Layton, East Layton

National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG11
Piece: 4883
Folio: 57
Page: 6
Reg. District: Richmond
Sub District: Aldbrough
Parish: East Layton
Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: East Layton, East Layton
County: Yorkshire (North riding)
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
ABBOT, Samuel Head Married M 23 1858 Limeston Quarryman
East Layton, Yorkshire
ABBOT, Elizabeth A Wife Married F 22 1859
Bishop Auckland, Durham
ABBOT, George Robert Son Single M 3 1878
Taft Hill, Durham
ABBOT, Charles W Son Single M 1 1880
Taft Hill, Durham

He gives his birth date on his records as 31st August 1882 so if his birth was registered in the 4th to the 6th week after his birth this may be it.

Births Dec 1882 (>99%)
Abbot Richard Richmond, Y. 9d 695

Parents marriage

Marriages Sep 1877 (>99%)
Abbot Samuel Auckland 10a 271

Caile Elizabeth Ann Auckland 10a 271


ErikaH Report 23 Jan 2013 15:45

Richard Abbott abt 1882 Apr-May-Jun 1954 Thrapston Northamptonshire

Richard Abbott abt 1882 Jan-Feb-Mar 1963 Hull Yorkshire East Riding


ErikaH Report 23 Jan 2013 15:41

Please, cane, remove the 4-letter word.

You are letting yourself down by using it


Nyx Report 23 Jan 2013 15:37

I think it's possible that Richard and Charles were born before the marriage? as this is the only one coming up for Samuel to Elizabeth??

Marriages Sep 1884 (>99%)

ABBOTT Samuel Bradford 9b 140
HOLMES Elizabeth Ann Bradford,Y 9b 140


Nyx Report 23 Jan 2013 15:13

for ref

The 1891 Census
is provided in
association with:

.1891 England Census
about Dick Abbott Name: Dick Abbott
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1883
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Samuel Abbott
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Abbott
Gender: Male
Where born: Darlington, Durham, England

Civil parish: Darlington
Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Street Address:


Condition as to marriage:


Employment status: View image

Registration district: Darlington
Sub-registration district: Darlington
ED, institution, or vessel: 25
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4044
Folio: 6
Page Number: 5
Household Members: Name Age
Samuel Abbott 34
Elizabeth Abbott 36
Dick Abbott 8
Charles Abbott 10


cane Report 23 Jan 2013 14:46

No Middle name....i Dont know if he married....i know that all three of the brothers were sea men in the merchant navy...and all were alive in after 1934....there are two birth entries for Richard Abbott,but i dont know which is mine....his father was Samuel Abbot born 1858,occupation a butchert & Mother Elizabeth living in darlington durham in1891.....richard is not on the 1901 with his parents,and i have never found him since the 1891 census....


Nyx Report 23 Jan 2013 14:38

Did he have a middle name?


Jonesey Report 23 Jan 2013 14:37

Several possibilities but more info needed to try to decide which one.

Where exactly was he born?

Did he have any other name?

Did he marry and if so do you know his wifes forename(s)?


cane Report 23 Jan 2013 14:19

I really do need a Ancestry look up.i know i can easily do it on freebmd but ime a bit crap with maths,& ohhhh the stress of it,please can some-one find death deatails for Richard Abbott,he was born 1882 and was still alive when his father died in 1934....the family are from the durham darlington area & at times Yorkshire, my gt grandad (richards brother) came to salford and layed down his roots...i would be grateful to any help thanks