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Thelma
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3 Feb 2013 00:34 |
Hello I'm looking for my mothers great aunt Alice smith she was adopted her birth would be about is about 1886 I don't know what her previous name was my great grandparents were Samuel and Rhoda smith places they were from.varied Leicester Staffordshire Northampton would really like to hear some info thanks x
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Moody Blue
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3 Feb 2013 00:49 |
1901 England Census about Alice Smith Name: Alice Smith Age: 15 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1886 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: Samuel Smith Mother's Name: Rhoda Smith Gender: Female Where born: Northamptonshire, England Civil parish: Leicester formerly St Margaret Ecclesiastical parish: St Mark County/Island: Leicestershire Country: England Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status: View image Registration district: Leicester Sub-registration district: North West Leicester ED, institution, or vessel: 14 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 201 Piece: 2987 Folio: 113 Page Number: 30 Household Members: Name Age Samuel Smith 35 Rhoda Smith 34 Adophus Smith 8 Sidney Smith 4 Alice Smith 15 Sarah Smith 11
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3 Feb 2013 01:07 |
They seem to be a travelling family. Samuel's occupation is a Caravaner. Most others on the census are also Caravaners or Hawkers.
Odd that Alice Smith age 15 is a daughter but Sarah age 11 is a cousin? I am having difficulty locating them on any census other than 1901
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Moody Blue
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3 Feb 2013 01:17 |
Is this Samuels marriage?
Marriages Dec 1887 Smith Samuel Dudley 6c 195 LLOYD Rhoda Dudley 6c 195
Could Alice be Rhodas child before they wed
Births Dec 1886 Lloyd Alice Dudley 6c 91 Lloyd Alice Dudley 6c 97
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Moody Blue
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3 Feb 2013 02:02 |
This may be Adolphus and Sidney from the 1901 census
1911 England Census about Adolphus Smith Name: Adolphus Smith Age in 1911: 17 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1894 Relation to Head: Nephew Gender: Male Birth Place: Leicester Civil parish: Eccleshall County/Island: Staffordshire Country: England Street Address: In A Caravan At The Buck Field, Stone Road, Eccleshall Marital Status: Single Occupation: Assistant showman Cocoa Nut stall Registration district: Stone Registration District Number: 358 Sub-registration district: Eccleshall ED, institution, or vessel: 1 Household schedule number: 245 Piece: 16387 Household Members: Name Age Thomas Smith 40 Mary Smith 38 Georgina Smith 13 Archer Smith 4 Albert Smith 3 Richard Smith 2/12 Adolphus Smith 17 Nephew...asst showman coconut stand Sidney Smith 15 Nephew...asst showman coconut stand
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Moody Blue
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3 Feb 2013 16:55 |
possible death for Adolphus...............cannot find birth to confirm parents ie mothers maiden name.
England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2006 about Adolph Smith Name: Adolph Smith Birth Date: 1892 Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1975 Age at Death: 83 Registration district: Walsall Inferred County: West Midlands Volume: 34 Page: 0347
according to a tree on Ancestry this is his marriage Marriages Dec 1935 Jordan Dorothy V Smith Walsall 6b 1687 Smith Adolphus Jordan Walsall 6b 1687
maybe a long winded way to go but maybe will eventually find Alice ?
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Moody Blue
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4 Feb 2013 15:56 |
ooh, I wonder.........................
1911 England Census about Samuel Smith Name: Samuel Smith Age in 1911: 46 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865 Relation to Head: Prisoner Gender: Male Birth Place: Ranton, Staffordshire Civil parish: Stafford County/Island: Staffordshire Country: England Street Address: His Majestys Prison, Stafford Marital Status: Married Occupation: Collier Registration district: Stafford Registration District Number: 357 Sub-registration district: Stafford ED, institution, or vessel: 31-33 Piece: 16364
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Thelma
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4 Feb 2013 23:29 |
Thanks everybody yous are all right Samuel and Rhoda are my great grandparents I've looked at all the census and it is them but I've hearted my mother talk about all of her other aunts and uncles all my life but never Alice until I found one of my mothers cousins on her Dorothy Jordan's daughter adolpus smith granddaughter mentioned Alice ? She's seems a lot orders than he other children all my mam remembers was she was adopted ? Unusual for Gypsys and nobody seems to know who she married or anything about her now or where she came from ? And moody blue maybe he was rhodas I had that thought aswell ? And I suppose smith wasent her real surname ? I check up on Alice Lloyd ? Thanks everybody for your help I'm new on her so I migh need a lot lol ;-)
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Moody Blue
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5 Feb 2013 18:16 |
There is this tree on Ancestry which is rather intriguing: in fact there are a couple of trees with Photos too. Do you have Ancestry?
Given to the gypsies c. 1896 , Northants
If this is indeed our Alice Emily Rowland, the story passed down through our family is that she was brought up by gypsies called Smith.
The birth dates tally, and there were indeed alot of gypsy families travelling in Northants (northants-familytree.net/travellers).
Again, if this is the right Alice then her mother died when she was about 8, and she seems to have been the youngest of a long line of children borne legitimately and illegitimately to Alice Packer and Richard Rowland. It is conceiveable that on the death of her mother, Richard was no longer able to keep her - the next youngest children in ther early teens and boys would have been able to work - and perhaps would give her to a gypsy family rather than a workhouse?
1891 England Census about Alice Rowland Name: Alice Rowland Age: 2 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1889 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: Hichard Rowland Mother's Name: Alice Rowland Gender: Female Where born: Northampton, Northamptonshire, England Civil parish: St Sepulchre Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrew County/Island: Northamptonshire Country: England Street Address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Education: Employment status: View image Registration district: Northampton Sub-registration district: St Giles ED, institution, or vessel: 23 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 1197 Folio: 19 Page Number: 31 Household Members: Name Age Hichard Rowland 39 Alice Rowland 42 Richard Rowland 14 Jane Rowland 8 Samuel Rowland 4 >>>>>>>>>Alice Rowland 2
Marriages Mar 1911 Rowland Alice Nottingham 7b 445 Wesseldine John Nottingham 7b 445
Daughter from this marriage born 1911 Rhoda Wesseldine
England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2006 about Alice E Wesseldine Name: Alice E Wesseldine Birth Date: abt 1888 Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1965 Age at Death: 77 Registration district: Nottingham Inferred County: Nottinghamshire Volume: 3c Page: 416
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Thelma
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6 Feb 2013 09:24 |
Omg I'm talking to my mother now we think this is Alice thank you very much and what's ancestry I'm sorry but I'm new to this can you help me please Alice was brought up as my mothers aunt x <3
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Moody Blue
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6 Feb 2013 10:23 |
have sent pm to you :-)
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