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Still in Scotland in 1861

in USA in 1880 - there is a John Dundee coming up for 1870 USA census but I cannot view it.

1861 Scotland Census
about John Dundee
Name: John Dundee
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Helen Dundee
Gender: Male
Where born: Abbotshall, Fife
Registration number: 442
Registration district: Kirkcaldy
Civil parish: Abbotshall
County: Fife
Address: High Street
Occupation: Tailor
ED: 28
Household schedule number: 47
Line: 20
Roll: CSSCT1861_58
Household Members: Name Age
John Dundee 40
Helen Dundee 31
William Dundee 14




1880 United States Federal Census
about John Dundee
Name: John Dundee
Age: 59
Birth Year: abt 1821
Birthplace: Scotland
Home in 1880: Chicago, Cook, Illinois
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relation to Head of House: Self (Head)
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: Ellen Dundee
Father's Birthplace: Scotland
Mother's Birthplace: Scotland
Neighbors: View others on page
Occupation: Laborer
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Household Members: Name Age
John Dundee 59
Ellen Dundee 50

a tree on ancestry has him
death
name: John Dundee
titles & terms:
death date: 22 Oct 1903
death place: Chicago, Cook, Illinois
gender: Male
race (original): W
race (standardized): White
death age: 83y
estimated birth year: 1820
birth date:
birthplace: Scotland
marital status:
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father's birthplace:
mother:
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occupation:
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residence:
cemetery:
burial place: Rose Hill
burial date: 24 Oct 1903
funeral home:
informant:
additional relatives:
film number: 1239694
digital folder number: 4004501
image number: 1285

they have census records for 1878,1880, 1896 and 190 but I can't open them as I don't have the sub sorry

name: Helen Robb Dundee
titles & terms:
death date: 15 Jan 1899
death place: Chicago, Cook, Illinois
gender: Female
race (original): w
race (standardized): White
death age: 69y
estimated birth year: 1830
birth date:
birthplace: Scotland
marital status:
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mother's titles & terms:
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occupation: none
street address:
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cemetery:
burial place: Rose Hill
burial date: 16 Jan 1899
funeral home:
informant:
additional relatives:
film number: 1033060
digital folder number: 4004347
image number: 1307
reference number: cn 3602

1870 United States Federal Census
about John Dundee Name: John Dundee
Age in 1870: 49
Birth Year: abt 1821
Birthplace: Scotland
Home in 1870: Chicago Ward 9, Cook, Illinois
Race: White
Gender: Male
Post Office: Chicago
Value of real estate: View image
Household Members: Name Age
John Dundee 49
Eleanor Dundee 40
William Dundee 23

william

1847 Feb
Abbotshall, Fife, Scotland
Residence
1851 Age: 4
Abbotshall, Fife, Scotland

Arrival
1869 Age: 22
Marriage to Margaret White
1875 Age: 28

Residence
1880 Age: 33
Chicago, Cook, Illinois, United States

Residence
1900 Age: 53
Chicago city, Cook, Illinois

Residence
1910 Age: 63
Chicago Ward 25, Cook, Illinois

William's arrival in USA? He's a baker, same as 1870 census:

New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
about Mr. Wm Dundee Name: Mr. Wm Dundee
Arrival Date: 4 Oct 1873
Birth Date: abt 1847
Age: 26
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/ Nationality: Scottish (Scotish)
Place of Origin: Scotland
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England and Queenstown, Ireland
Destination: United States of America
Port of Arrival: New York
Port Arrival State: New York
Port Arrival Country: United States
Ship Name: Calabria
Search Ship Database: Search the Calabria in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database

Edit: Oops! Arrived 1873 but he's on 1870 census in USA. Did he go back to Scotland then return?

Marvellous. Thanks all. I'm very pleased to see that young William got married.

The ancestry tree may be that of my cousin who tipped me off about Helens death. Unfortunately he's out of the loop at the moment hence i'm pestering others! :-)

Marked as answered. Many thanks.

An earlier arrival inUSA for William, again he's a baker:

New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
about Wm Dundee Name: Wm Dundee
Arrival Date: 30 Dec 1868
Birth Date: abt 1847
Age: 21
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/ Nationality: English
Place of Origin: England
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Destination: United States of America
Port of Arrival: New York
Port Arrival State: New York
Port Arrival Country: United States
Ship Name: City of Baltimore
Search Ship Database: Search the City of Baltimore in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database


But I see now you'vs already posted this as answered.

Margee....yes, it's probable that Williamdid go to the U.S. and return. With the advent of fast steam ships it was quite common for people to spend a "season" in the U.S. returning home for the off season! Skilled tradesmen often did this. Thanks Hun! :-)

Actually, these Williams don't fit with the birth date, (1857) taken from the Scottish census so it's probably not him. I'll keep an eye out for him. Just glad to have confirmed John and Helen.

But on the 1861 Scotland census he's 14 making him born 1847. Also he's living with John & Eleanor in Chicago in 1870, aged 23.

1870 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M64P-TNS
1900 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MSQD-FNM
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1900 Household Gender Age Birthplace
head William Dundee M 53 Scotland
wife Margaret Dundee F 56 Scotland
son John W Dundee M 25 Illinois
father John Dundee M 80 Scotland


1880 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MXNK-2Z7
Death H https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/N7H7-Y5Q
Death J https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/N7VQ-QZ4
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1880 Magnify 4 clicks, then save image:
http://archive.org/stream/10thcensus0188unit#page/n515/mode/1up

I have young William born c 1857 in my Robb tree, but I admit I may be mistaken. He seems to be from a previous marriage of John Dundee. I was mostly concerned to confirm that the family had actually emigrated. I have many "lost sheep" in my tree!

All the above help is much appreciated.