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Hi I've looked and looked for a marriage for bartholomew swift and Ellen niel on ancestry but no luck there are bartholomew swifts but not married to Ellen niel I've found there five children's registrations can anyone help

You need to give us some more details. When and where in Ireland was this marriage and do you have the bith years for the couple and parents details?

Hi bartholomew birth about 1844 I don't know Ellen's they were based in wexford as the children were all born in wexford any swift 1864 John 1866 Ellen 1869 maryanne 1871 is this any help

Please say where you got the info about Ellen's surname.

Have you looked for a marriage on the IGI?

For INFO only

name: Bartholomew Swift
gender: Male
baptism/christening date:
baptism/christening place:
birth date: 04 Jun 1874
birthplace: Wexford, Ireland
death date:
name note:
race:
father's name: Bartholomew Swift
father's birthplace:
father's age:
mother's name: Ellen Neill
mother's birthplace:
mother's age:
indexing project (batch) number: C70156-4
system origin: Ireland-EASy
source film number: 255905
reference number: v 9-2 p 1006

name: Bartholomew Swift
registration district: Swineford
event type: DEATHS
registration quarter and year: Oct - Dec 1917
estimated birth year: 1842
age (at death): 75
mother's maiden name:
film number: 0101607
volume number: 4
page number: 228
digital folder number: 4201711
image number: 00214

Hi I got Ellen's surname from the children's birh regestrations one is my great grandmother maryanne swift .

name: Barthow Swift
also known as:
role of individual: Prisoner
event: Prison
event date: 1860
event place: Wexford, Wexford, Ireland
residence: Wexford
age: 17
birthplace:
estimated birth year: 1843
prison: Wexford
offence: Assault
victim:
victim's address:
where convicted:
item: 1
book: 1/40/1
county: Wexford
film number: 2357191
digital folder number: 004492777
image number: 00214
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name: Bartholemew Swift
also known as:
role of individual: Prisoner
event: Prison
event date: 1871
event place: Wexford, Wexford, Ireland
residence: Wexford
age: 29
birthplace:
estimated birth year: 1842
prison: Wexford
offence: Stealing 6 Hens
victim:
victim's address:
where convicted:
item: 1
book: 1/40/1
county: Wexford
film number: 2357191
digital folder number: 004492777
image number: 00380
Citing this Record

Is it usual in Ireland to quote the MMN on baptisms if the parents are married?

I have no experience of Irish research.........perhaps someone who has can answer that

1901

Residents of a house 5.2 in Keysers Lane (Wexford Town, Wexford)

Swift Bartholomew 58 Male Head of Family Roman Catholic Castlebridge, Co Wexford Mason Cant read - Married -
Swift Thomas 16 Male Son Roman Catholic Wexford Town Mason Read and write

Hi is this bartholomew swift maryannes father .

I don't know...........I posted info found based on his YOB.

What does Mary Anne's marriage cert say about her father's occupation?

Hi just had a look it says Mary Anne swift 20 Mary street wexford father bartholomew swift labourer .

Ps marriage date Sunday 17th August 1890

For Reggie,

Is it usual in Ireland to quote the MMN on baptisms if the parents are married?

The answer is yes.

Quite often the marriages produce many children, this gives rise to many cousins with the same name. Put together with many female names being Mary or Margaret, etc. It is possible for two males having the same name being married to two women with the same forename. So to differentiate families the mmn is usually used on all parish records (and conversations) even after marriage.

Hi I think bartholomew swift born 1874 is Mary annes brother one I've missed looks like same mother do you think if I send off for his birth cert it may give me more info on Ellen and where she is from . Mary Ann called one off her daughters Ellen who we called Nellie the other poss after great grandfather mother Margaret .

Thanks Pam......I knew someone would have the definitive answer

The birth cert will only give you the woman's name

Hi just one thing can I look up the prison records for bartholomew .