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Hi all, i am researching my gt gt Grandfather William Sim born in Scotland 1828/1830, in 1871 he appears in the census in Lancaster (Lancs) living in the militia barracks, from 1871 i have most of his details including his children, his wife is named Adelaide, and she is believed to be from Jersey (may/may not be correct) the info that evades me is when he left Scotland,exactly where in Scotland was he born, where he married Adelaide and what was her surname, i believe their first child( Adelaide) was born in Ireland,William is recorded as a Chelsea pensioner in Lancaster before his death. Pre 1871 i have very little info on William, can anyone help please.

In 1871 his birthplace looks like Montrose

For reference.


1881 census transcription details for: 16, Spring Garden St, Lancaster
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG11
Piece: 4266
Folio: 91
Page: 31
Reg. District: Lancaster
Sub District: Lancaster
Parish: Lancaster
Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 16, Spring Garden St, Lancaster
County: Lancashire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
SIM, William Head Married M 53 1828 Chelsea Pensioner
Scotland
SIM, Adelaide E C Wife Married F 38 1843
Jersey, Channel Islands
SIM, William G Son Single M 13 1868 Scholar
Lancaster, Lancashire
SIM, Fred J Son Single M 11 1870 Scholar
Lancaster, Lancashire
SIM, Alice Daughter Single F 9 1872 Scholar
Lancaster, Lancashire
SIM, Frank Son Single M 7 1874 Scholar
Lancaster, Lancashire
SIM, Maud M Daughter Single F 5 1876 Scholar
Lancaster, Lancashire
SIM, Arthur Son Single M 1 1880
Lancaster, Lancashire

1911 census transcription details for: 21 Beaumont St Lancaster
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National Archive Reference:

RG14PN25554 RG78PN1461 RD479 SD3 ED30 SN55
Reg. District: Lancaster
Sub District: Lancaster
Parish: Lancaster
Enum. District: 30
Address: 21 Beaumont St Lancaster
County: Lancashire
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
COWELL, Adelaide Esther Head Widow F 68 1843 Jersey St Martins
COWELL, William Son Single M 42 1869 Linoleum Works Laborer Lancashire Lancaster
IRELAND, Annie Daughter Married
4 years F 27 1884 Lancashire Lancaster
COWELL, Elizabeth Daughter Single F 25 1886 At Home Lancashire Lancaster
IRELAND, Marjorie Grandchild F 1 1910 Lancashire Lancaster


1901 census transcription details for: 31, Gladstone Terrace, Lancaster
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG13
Piece: 3988
Folio: 43
Page: 2
Reg. District: Lancaster
Sub District: Lancaster
Parish: Lancaster
Enum. District: 3
Ecclesiastical District: St Mary
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 31, Gladstone Terrace, Lancaster
County: Lancashire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
COWELL, Adelaide E Head Widow F 58 1843
Lancaster, Lancashire
SIM, Wm George Son Single M 33 1868 Painters Labourer
Lancaster, Lancashire
SIM, Louise Daughter Single F 19 1882 Weaver (Cotton)
Lancaster, Lancashire
SIM, Annie Single F 17 1884 Assistant Confectionary
Lancaster, Lancashire
COWELL, Elizabeth Single F 15 1886 Assistant Dress Maker
Lancaster, Lancashire



1891 census transcription details for: 11, Britannia Street, Lancaster
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG12
Piece: 3467
Folio: 15
Page: 24
Reg. District: Lancaster
Sub District: Lancaster
Parish: Lancaster
Enum. District: 17
Ecclesiastical District: St Thomas
City/Municipal Borough: Lancaster
Address: 11, Britannia Street, Lancaster
County: Lancashire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
COWELL, Joseph Head Married M 52 1839 Stone Mason
Isle of Man
COWELL, Adelaide Wife Married F 48 1843
Jersey
SIM, Frederick Stepson Single M 21 1870 Laborer In Table Baize Mill
Lancaster, Lancashire
SIM, Frank Stepson Single M 17 1874 Cotton Spinner
Lancaster, Lancashire
SIM, Arthur Stepson M 11 1880 Laborer In Cotton Mill
Lancaster, Lancashire
SIM, Annie Stepdaughter F 7 1884 Scholar
Lancaster, Lancashire
COWELL, Elizabeth Daughter F 5 1886 Scholar
Lancaster, Lancashire

From Lancashire BMD site:

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1868
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
SIM William George Lancaster Preston LERICHE LAN/37/22

Baptism: 21 Feb 1868 St Mary, Lancaster, Lancashire, England
William George Sim - [Child] of William G Sim & Adelaide Esther
Born: 21 Jan 1868
Abode: Staff Barracks
Occupation: Sergeant 1st R.L. Militia
Baptised by: Maurice H Marsden
Register: Baptisms 1860 - 1870, Page 304, Entry 2430
Source: LDS Film 1526200

Baptism: 12 Dec 1873 St Mary, Lancaster, Lancashire, England
Frank Simm - [Child] of William Simm & Adelaide
Abode: The Barracks
Occupation: Staff Sergeant
Baptised by: A. M. Macdona
Register: Baptisms 1870 - 1882, Page 140, Entry 1119
Source: LDS Film 1526200

Baptism: 10 Dec 1875 St Mary, Lancaster, Lancashire, England
Maud Mary Sim - [Child] of William Sim & Adelaide Esther
Born: 18 Nov
Abode: Staff Barracks
Occupation: Staff Sergeant
Baptised by: J. R. Ashworth, Curate
Register: Baptisms 1870 - 1882, Page 220, Entry 1758
Source: LDS Film 1526200

Baptism: 3 Oct 1877 St Mary, Lancaster, Lancashire, England
Ernest James Sim - [Child] of William Sim & Adelaide Esther
Born: 22 Sep
Abode: Military Barracks
Occupation: Staff Sergeant
Baptised by: T. H. Simpkin
Register: Baptisms 1870 - 1882, Page 272, Entry 2175
Source: LDS Film 1526200

Baptism: 4 Nov 1881 St Mary, Lancaster, Lancashire, England
Louise Sim - [Child] of William Sim & Adelaide Esther
Born: 14 Oct
Abode: Henry Street
Occupation: Tailor
Baptised by: C. H. Joberns
Register: Baptisms 1870 - 1882, Page 393, Entry 3142
Source: LDS Film 1526200

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1851 census transcription details for: Gros Rocher, St Martins, District 1st
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: HO107
Piece: 2528
Folio: 276
Page: 34
Reg. District:
Sub District:
Parish: St Martins
Enum. District: 1
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Gros Rocher, St Martins, District 1st
County: Jersey
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
GAUDIN, Francis H Head Married M 39 1812 Sailor
St Martin, Jersey
GAUDIN, Elizabeth Wife Married F 35 1816 Journey Woman
St Martin, Jersey
LE RICHE, Adelaide Esther Visitor F 9 1842 Scholar
St Martin, Jersey
LE RICHE, Rachel Visitor Unmarried F 24 1827 Laborer Farmer
St Martin, Jersey

The baptism of their first child?

Name: Adelaid Elizabeth Sim
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 21 Nov 1866
Birth Place: Fermoy, Cork, Ireland
Baptism Place: Fermoy, Cork, Ireland
Father's Name: William Sim
Mother's name: Adelaid Lerick
FHL Film Number: 101138

Edited to include all children Sim/LeRiche from lancashirebmd
Children:

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1868
SIM William George Lancaster Preston LERICHE LAN/37/22

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1873
SIM Frank Lancaster Preston LERICHE LAN/45/8

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1875
SIM Maud Mary Lancaster Preston LERICHE LAN/47/99

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1877
SIM Ernest James Lancaster Preston LERICHE LAN/50/81

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1879
SIM Arthur Lancaster Preston LERICHE LAN/54/12

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1884
SIM Annie Lancaster Preston LERICHE LAN/62/41

???

1861 Worldwide Army Index
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First Name(s):William

Last Name:Sim

Number:955

Rank:Private

Unit:99th Foot (Lanarkshire)

Regiment Stationed at:China

National Archives reference:WO12 / 9827


or more probably


British Army Service Records 1760-1915 Transcription
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First name(s): William
Last name: SIME
Calculated year of birth: 1829
Parish of birth: Dunn
Town of birth: Montrose
County of birth: Forfarshire (Angus)
Age at attestation: 17 years 9 months
Attestation date: 15 July 1846
Attestation corps:
Attestation soldier number:
Discharge rank: Serjeant
Discharge corps: Dep 1st Bn 6th Reg Of Foot
Discharge soldier number: 2711
The National Archives reference: WO97 / 1403 / 94


He was a tailor by trade and was being discharged as he had qualified for a pension and was joining the 1st Lancashire militia.
He had spent years serving at The Cape of Good Hope and The East Indies.

John Thomas le Riche born 31/5/1862 baptised in St Helier Jersey 31/5/1862 by Adelaide Esther le Riche.

Adelaide Esther Cowell died 4/4/1919 in Canada of Stomach cancer.

There was a probate for a John Thomas Le Riche in london 1903.He died in Jersey



Maryb

1841? When he enllisted he gave his former job as a tailor

Name: William Sim
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826
Gender: Male
Where born: Angus, Scotland

Civil parish: Montrose
County: Angus
Address: Queens St
Occupation: Taylor Ap
Parish Number: 312
Household Members:
Name Age
William Bate 55
Elizabeth Bate 45
James Bate 19
John Bate 16
Henery Bate 13
James Gimb 15
William Sim 15

Well done K. Could very well be him. FMP version.

1841 census transcription details for: Queens Street, Montrose
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National Archive Reference:
RG number:
Piece: 312
Book/Folio: 17
Page: 22
Reg. District:
Sub District:
Parish: Montrose
Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Queens Street, Montrose
County: Forfarshire (Angus)
Name Relation Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
BATE, William M 55 1786 Flax Dresser Forfarshire (Angus)
BATE, Elizabeth F 45 1796 Forfarshire (Angus)
BATE, James M 19 1822 Flax Dresser Scotland
BATE, John M 16 1825 Flesher Ap Scotland
BATE, Henerey M 13 1828 Taylor Ap Scotland
GEMLO, James M 15 1826 Taylor Ap Forfarshire (Angus)
SIM, William M 13 1828 Taylor Ap Forfarshire (Angus)

Scotlandspeople has 2 baptisms for William Sim in Angus (none in Montrose); one in 1821 the other in 1824, probably these two (from familysearch):

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XYJV-BNY
Name: William Sim
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 04 Nov 1824
Christening Place: LIFF BENVIE AND INVERGOWRIE,ANGUS,SCOTLAND
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: David Sim
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name:
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C11301-4
System Origin: Scotland-ODM
GS Film number: 0993484-0993485
Reference ID:
Collection: William Sim, "Scotland, Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950"

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XBHT-4VL
Name: William Sim
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 05 Sep 1821
Christening Place: ARBIRLOT,ANGUS,SCOTLAND
Birth Date: 10 Aug 1821
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: George Sim
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Mary Hariot Waugh
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C11271-5
System Origin: Scotland-ODM
GS Film number: 993330
Reference ID:
Collection: William Sim, "Scotland, Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950"

Thankyou so much to everyone for your very swift replies, i collected quite a bit of info a couple years ago then came to a standstill as could,t find Adelaide's unmarried name or where in Jersey she came from, i also did not have Williams army numbers etc so was hampered ,,so glad i asked for help on here, thankyou again.

v.

Hi

William Sim is my 3rd great grandfather, Frederick his son my 2nd great grandfather. I was wondering which line of the family you were from if you don't mind me asking

T

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