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HELP WITH Ernest Greville Hulance

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Marie Report 3 Apr 2013 23:55

Hi i am actually searching Phylis/Emily Hulance who died 5/april/1948 Carshalton aged 52, She had a daughter also named Phylis, she is down on her daughters cert as Phylis but yet her death info is down as Emily. Also i stumbled across a record for Ernest Greville Hulance, he was born 1916, 2 years before P/E's daughter Phylis, and also in Liverpool same as Phylis, i oredered his birth cert but it lists no fathers name but does have Phylis down as his mother too.
I cannot find any other info on Ernest what so ever other than his birth, can anyone help me please


patchem Report 3 Apr 2013 23:57

Do you think he could have been adopted?


brummiejan Report 4 Apr 2013 00:09

Do you have Ernest's exact birth date? Bit of a long shot but might be worth checking for a death - though this would hinge on death being registered 1970-2006, and some clue in the name that it is the same person.

Mike *

Mike * Report 4 Apr 2013 00:14

Why do yo believe this death to be Phylis ?
Deaths Jun 1948
Hulance Emily - 52 - Surrey Mid.E. 5g 149


MarieCeleste Report 4 Apr 2013 00:15

Hello Marie (nice name!) - is there a father named on her daughter's birth cert?


brummiejan Report 4 Apr 2013 00:15

Are these people also connected?

Name: Gilroy P W Hulance
Mother: Hulance
Birth: Mar 1918 - Calne, Dorset

Name: Gilroy Philip W Hulance
Birth Date: 13 Dec 1917
Date of Registration: Aug 1993
Age at Death: 75
Registration district: Swindon
Inferred County: Wiltshire
Register Number: C40B
District and Subdistrict: 7961C
Entry number: 291

Name: Horace G Hulance
Mother: Hulance
Birth: Mar 1915 - Malmesbury, Wiltshire

Name: Horace Gilroy Hulance
Birth Date: 23 Dec 1914
Date of Registration: Sep 2004
Age at Death: 89
Registration district: Bexley
Inferred County: Kent
Register Number: A39C
District and Subdistrict: 220/1C
Entry number: 39

Mike *

Mike * Report 4 Apr 2013 00:19

Both births have same surname as mother's maiden name ... yet not seeing a birth for the mother Phylis


MarieCeleste Report 4 Apr 2013 00:36

There appears to be 2 registrations for that 1948 death:

England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2006 about Emily Hulance Paradine

Name: Emily Hulance Paradine
Birth Date: abt 1896
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1948
Age at Death: 52
Registration district: Surrey Mid Eastern
Inferred County: Surrey
Volume: 5g
Page: 149


SylviaInCanada Report 4 Apr 2013 06:33

Was Phylis Hulance, b. 1918 called Phylis C Hulance?

Could the C stand for Cecelia? Therefore was her real name Phylis Cecelia Hulance??

Did Phylis Hulance (ie P / E) marry in 1917?

There are trees on ancestry ................ without any proof of course!! ....... that have the following ................

Phylis Hulance b. ca 1890 marrying Edward Richard Alston Hetherton (1860 – 1935)

daughter Phylis Cecelia Hetherton 1918 – 1986

freebmd shows that Edward R A Hetherton died in Birkenhead ........

Deaths Jun 1935 (>99%)
Hetherton Edward R A 69 Birkenhead 8a 578

and here is Phylis C Hetherton's birth, with mother Hulance

Births Mar 1918 (>99%)
Hetherton Phylis C Hulance Liverpool 8b 87

and she was also registered under the name Hulance

Births Mar 1918 (>99%)
Hulance Phylis C Hulance Liverpool 8b 87

you can see the double entry ..................

Births Mar 1918 (>99%)
Hetherton Phylis C Hulance Liverpool 8b 87
Hulance Phylis C Hulance Liverpool 8b 87



SylviaInCanada Report 4 Apr 2013 06:43

Edward Richard Alston Hetherton must have been quite the guy!!

This is from a tree on ancestry, some documentation, some not documented.

I'm not sure if the divorces actually happened, or if he just walked out ......... divorces were very expensive and difficult to obtain in those days!!

Edward Richard Alston Hetherton
Birth 6 Jun 1860 in Lesmahagow, Lanarkshire, , Scotland
Death 1935 in England, United Kingdom

Marriage to Elizabeth D Gordon
1880 — Age: 20

Divorce from Elizabeth D Gordon
1899 — Age: 39

Marriage to Emma Cowan
1915 Dec — Age: 55
Lancashire, England
source:- freebmd

Divorce from Emma Cowan
1916 — Age: 56

Marriage to Phylis Hulance
1917 — Age: 57

Marriage to Selena L Ford
1932 — Age: 72
England, United Kingdom
source:- freebmd

1935 — Age: 75
England, United Kingdom


David Charters Hetherton 1880 – 1962

Phylis Cecelia Hetherton 1918 – 1986

It could well be that Ernest Greville Hulance was adopted .............. and that will be difficult to find



SylviaInCanada Report 4 Apr 2013 06:46

I have not however found the marriage for Hetherton and Hulance ..........

.... so it may be that they did not marry, and Phylis just moved in with him, and he accepted the fact that he was the father of Phylis C


patchem Report 4 Apr 2013 07:00

If you put his details in your tree on here, then it gives people who know more about him the chance to contact you if all leads from this search do not give any results.

Have you contacted the person with Phylis in their tree?


Marie Report 4 Apr 2013 16:15

Phylis Hulance was the mother, i have her daughter Phylis Cecelia= PC Hulance birth certificate, also registered as Hetherton, the father Edward Richard Alston Hetherton, yes quite a guy! many wives over his time and very old when my nan PC was born.

I believe her to be Emily as i have copy of the coroners report to Emily Hulance/ Emily Hulance Paradine , she is living with her daughter named as my nan, & had gassed herself, which when i spoke to my dad about he vaguely remembered my mum mentioning (my mum is no longer with us). Also Paradine had been the same surname my nan PC had used too .

11.6.1916 Ernest Greville Hulance , mother listed as Phyllis Hulance , no father.

Theres no other records that i can find of Phyllis Hulance or Ernest.