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Hello, could someone take a look at the above census please. He will be with his wife, who was born in Ireland, and their son Thomas aged 1 born 1860 in Sutton Lancs. The reg district is Prescot, Lancashire. I have the 1881 census and his wife's name is down as Johnannah but I can't find their marriage which is why I would like someone to check the census to see if her name is Johnannah (probably misspelt). Thank you.

There is this marriage but after when Thomas was born in 1860

Marriage Record
Name James Pickering
Year of Marriage 1867
Quarter of Marriage Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration District Prescot
Registration County Lancashire
Spouse's Surname Only available for records after 1912
Volume Number 8B
Volume Page 899

James Pickering married one of the people below:

Joanna EDEN View
Esther KNIGHT View
William RIGBY View

Thanks Fred, I will have to investigate further.

If Joanna Eden wasn't married when Thomas was born, he *might* have been a John Thomas

http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/cgi/birthind.cgi

EDEN John Thomas
District Preston sub district Preston
mmn - EDEN
ref-PRES/121/6

1871
Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where born Image
PICKERING, James Head M 40 1831 Lancashire VIEW
PICKERING, Johannah Wife F 42 1829 Ireland VIEW
PICKERING, John Son M 16 1855 Lancashire VIEW
PICKERING, James Son M 10 1861 Lancashire VIEW
PICKERING, Hannah Daughter F 14 1857 Lancashire VIEW
PICKERING, Thomas Son M 9 1862 Lancashire VIEW
PICKERING, Dinah Daughter F 7 1864 Lancashire VIEW
>>>>>>>HEADEN, Patrick A Wife's Son M 17 1854 Lancashire VIEW
Piece: 3866
Folio: 123
Page: 13
Registration District: Prescot
Civil Parish: Sutton
Municipal Borough: St Helen
Address: Grove's Row, Sutton, St Helen
County: Lancashire



Been trying to find a marriage ??? No luck on the 1861


Regards Vera

Now this is interesting.

Look up the marriage on http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk - it is free and ought to be in your bookmarks if you have a lot of Lancs folk

Joanna Eden has an aka of Joanna Doyle. Was she married before?

DOYLE Joanna to PICKERING James
EDEN Joanna to PICKERING James

Marriage took place at Prescot, St.Mary's

If they are your direct line, it would be good to buy the BC - EDIT - Sorry, the MC

Hello, I think she may have been married twice because of the Patrick Headen (must be Eden again misspelt) that is with them on the 1871 census and it says wife's son. Also Doyle sounds more Irish than Eden. thank you Fred, Detective and Vera. :-D

If you need help with Irish records, the following link might give you some other sites

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/genealogy_chat/thread/951721
INFORMATION ONLY for those Searching for IRISH Gen

There is a Patrick Eden birth registered in St Helens in 1853, but no middle initial or mmn given on LancsBMD.

Was James married before thus the childrens birth dates. A marriage certificate would say if he was a widower

???
1861 census transcription details for: Ravenhead Terrace, Sutton

National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG09
Piece: 2753
Folio: 67
Page: 33
Reg. District: Prescot
Sub District: 6 St Helens
Parish: Sutton
Enum. District: 18
Ecclesiastical District: St Marys
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Ravenhead Terrace, Sutton
County: Lancashire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
PICKERING, James Head Married M 39 1822 LabourerSt Helens, Lancashire
PICKERING, Donna Wife Married F 30 1831 Wife St Helens, Lancashire ******
PICKERING, Jane Daughter Unmarried F 9 1852 St Helens, Lancashire
PICKERING, John Son Unmarried M 7 1854 St Helens, Lancashire
PICKERING, Hannah Daughter Unmarried F 4 1857 St Helens, Lancashire
PICKERING, James Son Unmarried M 2 1859 St Helens, Lancashire

****looks more like Diana on original

Civil Registration event: Marriage

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Name: PICKERING, James
Registration district: Prescot
County: Lancashire
Year of registration: 1851
Quarter of registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912
Volume no: 20
Page no: 756
MarriageFinder: James Pickering married one of the following people:

DOCKERTY, Mary
FLOCKTON, Ann Elizabeth
HOUGHTON, Dinah <<<<<<< ??
MCCULLY, Hannah
NAYLOR, Enoch
PEMBERTON, Richard
PICKERING, Jonathan

Hi, I think I am getting totally lost now. I cant find James marriage on Lancashire BMD to Joanna, however in 1851 there is a marriage to Dinah Houghton which is probably Donna yet again misspelt, above. I have seen the birth for Patrick. Also, the daughter is called Dinah, also born Sutton. :-S

1851 census transcription details for: 16, Groves Colliery Row, Sutton

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National Archive Reference:
RG number: HO107
Piece: 2195
Folio: 190
Page: 57
Reg. District: Prescot
Sub District: St Helens
Parish: Sutton
Enum. District: 2A
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 16, Groves Colliery Row, Sutton
County: Lancashire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
TICKLE, James Head Married M 46 1805 Coal Miner Sutton, Lancashire
TICKLE, Hannah Wife Married F 46 1805 Tarbock, Lancashire
PICKERIN, Denah Daughter Married F 21 1830 Sutton, Lancashire
PICKERIN, James Son In Law Married M 22 1829 Coal Miner Huyton, Lancashire
TICKLE, James Son Unmarried M 17 1834 Coal Miner ( Assistant )Eccleston, Lancashire
TICKLE, Helen Daughter Unmarried F 15 1836 Eccleston, Lancashire
TICKLE, Catherine Daughter F 12 1839 Scholar Eccleston, Lancashire
TICKLE, Thomas Son M 8 1843 Scholar Eccleston, Lancashire
TICKLE, William Son M 5 1846 ScholarSutton, Lancashire
TICKLE, Elizabeth Daughter F 15 1836 Sutton, Lancashire
HOUGHTON, Ellen Sister In Law Unmarried F 35 1816 Sutton, Lancashire
HOUGHTON, Elizabeth Niece F 3 1848 Sutton, Lancashire

Thank you Stuart :-D

To find the Pickering to Eden/Doyle marriage.

http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/cgi/marrind.cgi?county=lancashire

Select year 1867
Region Prescot
Surname Pickering
Forename James

Leave the spousal details blank then 'Display' results.

Pickering has an * at the end. Click on the surname and you’ll get the result C&P as above.

I am stupid, I was putting the wrong year in!

Hee, hee - we all do 'daft' things on occasions ;-)

I keep coming back to this scenario - St Helens, Sutton, Eccleston, Prescot all next door to one another

Name: Dinah Houghton
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 1829
Christening Place: ST. HELENS, LANCASHIRE, ENGLAND
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name:
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Hannah Houghton
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C13587-6
System Origin: England-VR
GS Film number: 1469036
Reference ID: - 2:2HD4JSL

Then - Is Hannah the Anne in this marriage???

Marriage: 21 Oct 1833 St Mary the Virgin, Prescot, Lancashire, England
James Tickle - (X), Collier, bachelor, Sutton
Anne Houghton - (X), spinster, Sutton
Witness: James Houghton, (X); Mary Anne Houghton, (X)
Married by Banns by: John Edwards - Curate
Register: Marriages 1830 - 1837, Page 86, Entry 256
Source: LDS Film 1657584 item 12

And then the family on the 1841 census, names etc match those of the 1851 posted earlier, although James age is different. Ellen Houghton on both - Hannah's sister by the looks of it.

1841 census transcription details for: Bold Street, Prescot, Eccleston

National Archive Reference:
RG number: HO107
Piece: 516
Book/Folio: 8/17
Page: 26
Reg. District: Prescot
Sub District: St Helen
Parish: Prescot
Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Bold Street, Prescot, Eccleston
County: Lancashire
Name Relation Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
TICKLE, James M 53 1788 Lancashire **Labourer
TICKLE, Hannah F 33 1808 Lancashire
TICKLE, Dinah F 11 1830 Lancashire
TICKLE, James M 7 1834 Lancashire
TICKLE, Ellen F 4 1837 Lancashire
TICKLE, Catherine F 2 1839 Lancashire
HOUGHTON, Ellen F 25 1816 Lancashire

So the houghton's, Pickerings and Tickle's interconnected

Following up on the above post - This 1841 census shows a connection between Tickles and Doyles which could be how the Pickering to Joanna Eden/Doyle marriage came about.

It is too late to work it all out now, way past my bedtime, just wanted to make a note of it on here whilst I had the census etc in front of me. I'm sure the experts will tear it apart if necessary (or find the links!!) I can always delete...

1841 census transcription details for: Taylor's Row, Prescot, Sutton

National Archive Reference:
RG number: HO107
Piece: 517
Book/Folio: 4/14
Page: 20
Reg. District: Prescot
Sub District: St Helen
Parish: Prescot
Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Taylor's Row, Prescot, Sutton
County: Lancashire
Name Relation Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
TICKLE, James M 40 1801 Lancashire
TICKLE, Jane F 35 1806 Lancashire
TICKLE, James M 17 1824 Lancashire
TICKLE, John M 15 1826 Lancashire
TICKLE, Margaret F 12 1829 Lancashire
TICKLE, Mary F 10 1831 Lancashire
TICKLE, William M 6 1835 Lancashire
DOYLE, John M 35 1806 Ireland
DOYLE, Margaret F 30 1811 Ireland

Thank you Stuart, been away from my computer for a while. Just logged on to check and now I am logging off again. I think I need to write it down so I'm not having to go and down screen (haven't got a printer). Many thanks once again. :-D