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PB001

PB001 Report 3 Nov 2021 20:33

OK, just to try to bring this thread to some conclusion in case somebody else comes back to this; I requested the adoption certificate through GRO.
GRO called me today to say that they have no trace of an adoption certificate.
There would be no adoption certificate if she was adopted prior to 1927.
They apparently ordinarily check for adoption certificates for 21 years after birth, so sounds like they did a thorough search.
So, either Mildred was adopted prior to 1927; in which case she was adopted when Ada Beazley (HJB's wife) was still alive (she died in 1929); or she was not properly adopted after Ada's death.

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Click ADD REPLY button - not this link! Report 17 Sep 2021 22:39

Interesting article about one of Mildred's children.

https://www.countypress.co.uk/news/17901766.famous-pop-star-britain/

Rose

PB001

PB001 Report 17 Sep 2021 21:03

Hi Kay, not quite.
One of HJB (Senior)'s children was Herbert John Jr.
HJB Senior's second wife was the 1930 wedding to Ellen Mary. There was a 27 year age gap between HJB and Ellen.

HJB Jr - known as 'Jack' and a bus driver, though my family notes say he was 'extremely clever' - then married Ellen's sister Masie in 1939, as you identify.

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 17 Sep 2021 20:58

Herbert and Ellen and their son are together on 1939 register

Kay????

Kay???? Report 17 Sep 2021 20:54

View Record
Herbert J Beazley
Apr 1939 Apr-May-Jun Isle of Wight Isle of Wight-------- Maisie I Weeks
View Record.


Herbert J Beazley
Apr 1930 Apr-May-Jun Isle of Wight Hampshire-------- Ellen M Weeks

Did the same man marry two sisters.?

PB001

PB001 Report 17 Sep 2021 20:45

Thanks ErikaH.

One more thing. Don't know if this counts. But if you look at the old London maps on NLS, Woodford Road, Watford, is really just across the railway tracks from the London Orphan Asylum.

The birth address is backin stockwell, central London, Belgrave Terrace was a very short terrace of houses, since demolished, coming off of what is now Stockwell Park Walk.

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 17 Sep 2021 20:29

Mildred’s husband is recorded as Alfred W on 1939 register. DoB 19 May 1914

His death is as `William Alfred’

Research his birth etc to determine whether there is any connection, or merely coincidence

Connection seems extremely unlikely. WAP was born in the Isle of Wight. Perkins isn’t an uncommon surname

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 17 Sep 2021 20:19

Formalised adoption came into force in 1927

Adoption certs do not show any info about the child’s origins - neither the birth name nor natural parents’ names

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 17 Sep 2021 20:16

Edwin and Nora G Perkins are together in 1939

Her DoB is given as 27 Oct 1898

PB001

PB001 Report 17 Sep 2021 20:08

Hi all,

OK thanks everybody.

So, my interest here is that Herbert John Beazley, who I believe adopted Mildred (though I have not seen an adoption certificate and would v much like to) is my grandfather. He lived in Godshill, IoW so believe we are speaking about the same person (Janice mentions Godshill earlier).

Herbert John's first wife, Ada Marian, died 28.02.1929 and he married his second wife, Ellen Mary on the 2nd quarter of 1930 (I have the date somewhere...).

My dad recollected that Mildred had been adopted late 1920s, so presumably shortly before, or just after, his wife Ada died.

However I have no explanation why he adopted Mildred (beyond some perhaps obvious possibilites!), particularly at this time in his life; his first children were much older by this stage, and he had not remarried. I don't have anything to confirm any connection (of any sort!) between Nora and my grandad. The suggestion in the thread above that the birth certificate mentioned a Beazley got me to check, but it doesn't mention a Beazley, so beyond a DNA test, that feels like a closed door?

If born in 1898, Nora would have been 20 ish, and single, when Mildred was born. She would have been concieved around November 1917. HJB would have been aged 36.

What happened to kids born to single mums in those days? Why would a 47-ish-year old railway worker, with four grown up children, from the Isle of Wight adopt an eleven-ish year old girl from London?

One other odd thing; Kay's post above suggests Nora married a Perkins, after Mildred was born, but before she had been adopted. But I have it that Mildred ALSO married a Perkins, William A Perkins. Coincidence? If not, what?

Kay????

Kay???? Report 17 Sep 2021 19:21

Source
Name: Nora Gladys Wilson-----295 Westend Lane.
Marriage Age: 26
Record Type: Marriage
Birth Date: abt 1898
Marriage Date: 14 Jun 1924
Marriage Place: Emmanuel, Hampstead, Camden, England
Father:
George William Wilson
Spouse:
Edwin Perkins.

Noras father is George William Wilson a ---Licenced Victualler.

Matches census information posted on Pg 1.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 16 Sep 2021 23:28

Mildred's death has already been posted - but here's the full GRO version with all middle names:

PERKINS, MILDRED WILSON BEAZLEY 1917
GRO Reference: DOR Q1/1996 in ISLE OF WIGHT (5561A) Reg A75A Entry Number 255

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 16 Sep 2021 22:11

Mildred Perkins DoB 28 Aug 1918 is on 1939 register with husband etc

PB001

PB001 Report 16 Sep 2021 21:58

Cheers guys, I've pinged her an email - let's see. It looks like I might be able to request the adoption cert from GRO also? Never done that before, woudl have to take a bit of a guess as to which year she was adopted - my hunch would be 1929, after HJ Beazley's first wife had died, but before he'd married his second one (Ellen).

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 16 Sep 2021 11:21

If Janique was correct in saying that "it says mildred wilson beazley on the birth certificate" (and it's still not clear if she had actually seen the document herself or was just taking her aunt's word for it ) then yes, that was presumably the adoption cert.

nameslessone

nameslessone Report 16 Sep 2021 10:22

Janique still seems to be a member and you could contact her by clicking on her name and send a pm. If she has still got the same email address she will get a notification from Genes. Otherwise it is unlikely that she would find your post after all this time.

PB001

PB001 Report 16 Sep 2021 10:08

To anybody who comes across this thread, some years on, I can confirm that I requested and recieved the birth certificate from GRO for Mildred Wilson 1918 Sept LAMBETH 01D 489 highlighted by ArgyllGran above.

This gives the following:
* Name: Mildred (no middle names)
* Birth date 28.8.1918, birth address 4 Belgravia Terrace, Stockwell
* Details of father - none given
* Details of mother - Nora Gladys Wilson, a farm labourer of 22 Woodford Road, Watford
* Informant - N G Wilson (22 Woodford Road)
* Registered 9.9.1918

There is no mention of Beazley on the birth certificate. So the above linked file must be the Adoption certificate?

janique

janique Report 27 May 2013 23:32

thank you for that i will have to go down to see my auntie and ask to see the birth certificate.once again thanks.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 27 May 2013 14:26

It sounds as though you haven't seen the original birth cert, Janique.
Perhaps what your aunt has is the adoption certificate?

Quote from:
http://www.blackpool.gov.uk/services/a-f/copycertificates/faqs/howcanifindmyoriginalbirthoradoptionrecord.htm

"In most cases, a child's birth will have been registered within six weeks of their date of birth at a Register Office and a birth certificate will have been issued. The record may have been registered by one or both parents or other informant such as a social worker and will show who the mother is, and sometimes who the father is.

Once a legal adoption takes place, a new 'adoption certificate' is created showing the child's new name and new adoptive parent(s). Since 1927, all adoptions granted by the courts in England and Wales, and some overseas adoptions, are recorded in the Adopted Children Register which is held by the General Register Office (GRO) in Southport.

Most adopted children therefore have two birth records; the original birth certificate being superseded by the adoption certificate."

From
http://www.dfw.org.uk/adoption-faqs
"For all official purposes. e.g. getting married or applying for a passport, your adoption certificate is required; this is sometimes known as your birth certificate and it shows the name given to you by your adoptive parents as well as their names."

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 27 May 2013 14:13

To repeat what I said before, there is no Mildred Beazley (or variant spelling) born anywhere in England / Wales 1916 - 20, with mms Wilson.

This remains the most likely birth record:

Births Sep 1918 (>99%)
Wilson Mildred Wilson Lambeth 1d 489