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Keith Report 30 Jun 2013 19:27

how common was it to record the wifes maiden name wrongly on the marriage cert
the only one I can find that could possibly be the one I want has the same surname for the groom and the bride... eg the brides .(.maiden name) is given as the grooms surname
do not want to spend to get cert if this is not likely to have happened
can anybody tell me if people have the same great grandparents what is their relationship .
I have seen charts on here to work it out but it is just being impossible for me to figure it out
I am stupid I know


Dea Report 30 Jun 2013 19:31

Keith !!

You really do need to give all the info you have - names. dates, when. where, and ALL the info from the cert please !!!

We cannot help you if you don't tell us what you know !!

Dea xxx


+++DetEcTive+++ Report 30 Jun 2013 19:33

2nd Cousins?

As to the names on the MC. Anything is possible although in your instance, if they had been living together for a number of years, she may have taken her partners surname.


MarieCeleste Report 30 Jun 2013 19:35

It's also possible that the bride and groom were related, I've got a few instances of cousins and second cousins marrying (perfectly legal).


ErikaH Report 30 Jun 2013 19:47

So.............your grandfather.

The father of one of your parents.................which one?

Do you have his/her birth cert?

The surname of a female spouse on a marriage index is not necessarily her maiden name.

She could have been married before....................

Does the forename on the index match what you know of your grandmother?


MarieCeleste Report 30 Jun 2013 19:47

Keith, we could try to help you further if you want to give the details, it's up to you.


HeyJudeB4Beatles Report 30 Jun 2013 19:53

Keith....who is/was your grandad..dob pob???

Then who is/was you mum/dad who was their child?

We CAN help you nut you need to help us :-)


ErikaH Report 30 Jun 2013 20:00

For relationship info...........go to:

VERY clear on there....................


KathleenBell Report 30 Jun 2013 22:10

If you only have the information from the marriage index have you checked to see if the marriage is recorded twice - once with the female's maiden name and again with the female registered with the groom's surname. This is sometimes the case if the couple have been living together prior to the marriage and the female was known by the groom's surname even though they were not married. Because she was known by both names, both are recorded.

Kath. x


Unknown Report 1 Jul 2013 07:35

I'm looking for anything on Henry turner born in 1844 inst George the martyr had a son Oswald born in west ham


ErikaH Report 1 Jul 2013 08:23


Not sure why you have added to this thread................your post is not in any way connected with the subject matter.

You really need to return to your own posts about the Turners, and respond on there.

Please read the help section, to find out how the boards will find it useful


Keith Report 1 Jul 2013 13:24

sorry no reply genes reunited would not let me on just kept getting a message saying unavalible
seems okay now though
I put this on because I wanted to order a marriage cert for my Ggrandmother and father (sorry forgot to put the great in original post)
a very kind person called Alviegal found their marriage for me in parish records collection
it has grooms last name Griffiths first names John William
grooms fathers name William Griffiths
brides last name Jones (this is not the maiden name of my great grandma)hers was Roberts
brides first name Margaret
brides fathers first name William
brides fathers name Griffiths
the ages and the parish are the correct ones but before I sent for the certificate I was wondering if it was conmmon to have mistakes on certificates from 1868 in records for Anglesey
the parish of llanerchymedd is correct
but I cannot understand the surnames of the bride and father as it should be Roberts
if I send for the certificate and this is the info on it I will never know if I have the right one
I have looked in free bmd but cannot find a Griffiths who married a Roberts
hope you can understand my rambling


Andrew Report 1 Jul 2013 13:51

For ref

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

Marriages Jun 1868 (>99%)

GRIFFITH John William Anglesey 11b 927
Jones Margaret Anglesey 11b 927

1871 census

John Griffith 29
Margret Griffith 27



ErikaH Report 1 Jul 2013 14:06


ErikaH Report 1 Jul 2013 14:07

What are the exact names of the parents on your grandfather's birth cert?

I don't mean the GRO index.............I mean the actual cert.........

Tenerife Sun

Tenerife Sun Report 1 Jul 2013 14:24

Is it possible that Margaret had been married before to a Jones or that her mother was a Jones and had Margaret before she married Mr Griffith

Parish Record Collection - Marriage Record

Print Close
Grooms Last Name: Griffith
Grooms First Name: John William
Grooms Fathers First Name: William
Grooms Fathers Last Name: Griffith
Grooms Parish:
Grooms Age: 27
Brides Last Name: Jones
Brides First Name: Margaret
Brides Fathers First Name: William
Brides Fathers Last Name: Griffith
Brides Parish:
Brides Age: 24
County: Anglesey
Place / Parish: Llanerchymedd
Marriage Year: 1868
Marriage Month: Jun
Marriage Day: 2
Page: 60
Record source: Anglesey Marriages - Transcripts
Data provider: Welsh Archive Services / Gwasanaethau Archifau Cymru


Keith Report 1 Jul 2013 15:30

thanks for replys .this is a real mystery to me
I remember my grandmother Lizzie the daughter of John and Margaret Griffiths saying her mums name was Roberts
her maiden name is given as Roberts so I am stumped as where to go on this one
maybe she or her mum were married before but I have no way of knowing
or maybe her (Margarets)mum was not married when Margaret was born
but then I do not know why my grandmother would have said her mother was Roberts before she married
well a mystery to try to solve
when searching family history you think you have got there then something comes along to show you have not
but I suppose that is half the fun
PS what do people think the best site to join Ancestry or Find My Past


lancashireAnn Report 1 Jul 2013 17:15

are you sure you have the right details Keith?

Do you have your grandmother Lizzie's birth certificate to prove her parents names?

perhaps this was the marriage not the one with John William

Marriages Mar 1867 (>99%)
GRIFFITHS John Carnarvon 11b 648
Hughes William Carnarvon 11b 648
Jones Mary Carnarvon 11b 648
ROBERTS Margaret Carnarvon 11b 648

was Lizzie born on Anglesey and when was she born please?


mgnv Report 1 Jul 2013 20:06

It wasn't uncommon for a cert to have a mistake. One only has o look at the number of times certificates get amended in later quarters to realize this. It's a lot harder to convince yourself that you do have the correct cert, but it has an error of some sort.
My ggg gran's 1873 d.cert gives her name as Christina instead of Elizabeth. The other details matched: age, husband, parents - and her death was rego'ed by her son.First I checked he was my ggg gran's son - I only saw him on the 1841 census, and thought he died, so stopped looking for him, but now I knew he lived in Turriff in W Aberdeenshire, I found both his d.cert and gravestone - both give his mum as Elizabeth - my Eliz is buried with her son, and the gravestone gives her dod as 21/7/1873, the day "Christina" died.

So - mistakes happen.

A useful site for Anglesey is their local BMD indexes at

Suppose I were interested in this mob:

1861 Wales Census Transcription
Ecclesiastical District:
Parliamentary Borough:
Enumeration District:
Registration District:ANGLESEY
Registration Sub-District 4 Amlwch
Archive Reference:RG09 Piece Number:4369 Folio:16 Page:33

WILLIAM GRIFFITHS 1815 46 Llanerchymedd, Anglesey HEAD M Shoe Maker
PERRY GRIFFITHS 1815 46 ?Boddford?, Anglesey WIFE M
JOHN GRIFFITH 1842 19 Llanerchymedd, Anglesey SON U Shoe Maker
OWEN GRIFFITHS 1846 15 Llanerchymedd, Anglesey SON U Shoe Maker
MARY GRIFFITHS 1847 14 Llanerchymedd, Anglesey DAUR U Scholar
WILLIAM GRIFFITHS 1849 12 Llanerchymedd, Anglesey SON U Scholar
Twins{HENRY P GRIFFITHS} 1854 7 Llanerchymedd, Anglesey SON U Scholar
Twins{ROWLAND GRIFFITHS} 1854 7 Llanerchymedd, Anglesey SON U Scholar

The twins are particularly easy to find:
North Wales Birth indexes for the years: 1853
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
GRIFFITH Henry Llandyfrydog Isle of Anglesey - Llangefni LEWIS DYFRYDOG/06/E178
GRIFFITH Rowland Llandyfrydog Isle of Anglesey - Llangefni LEWIS DYFRYDOG/06/E177

Marriages Dec 1837 (>99%)
Griffith William Anglesey 27 593
LEWIS Perry Anglesey 27 593

There are mo transcriptons of marr records held by Isle of Anglesey - Llangefni.
The only Anglesey deaths transcribed as yet seem to be for Bodedern 1837-1842 - unlike the GRO index, they do show age at death.

EDIT re Perry's pob - forgot to enter this - now corrected


Keith Report 1 Jul 2013 22:09

thank you to all who have helped
I am going to start from scratch again
ask all family members to try to remember what they can and then forget everything I have and start again as something is not adding up
the postings have names for siblings that look like I have heard them before but then looking at census info the same few names seem to crop up for Griffiths
the post of ngmv is interesting as there were certainly twins in the family
my grandmother had twins as did my sister
so as I said I will scrap everything and start again
will probably be on here again asking for help at some point
am very grateful for all info thank you