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Aunt Polly Born Norfolk

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Elaine Report 11 Aug 2013 19:52

Trying to solve mystery of whom Aunt Polly was. She was known to my gran's brother Aubrey Dennis Barnes Born 1914 Fulmodestone Norfolk. He said she died young by drowning in a local river. I thought she might have been Mary Barnes b1856 Barney who married Robert Sands - Polly & Molly are alternative names for Mary apparently - but she died at age of 91. Also I thought she maybe Pamela Caley b 1857 who married Robert Nobes but she died in 1912 before Uncle Denny was born . Aunt Polly must have been alive when he was young as he remembered her. Sadly, I cannot now ask Uncle Denny for more info as he also has passed away.

Any help would be appreciated

Many thanks

Elaine H Swarbrick

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KempinaPartyhat Report 11 Aug 2013 19:56

Did she marry?

if so whom?

Any other clues to a name or date she drowned?


patchem Report 11 Aug 2013 20:00

Welcome to the boards, Elaine.

Do you believe she was actually related to him, or just given the title 'Aunt' as a family friend?

If she was born in 1856 (as one of your possibles) and died after 1914, it hardly makes her young?


ErikaH Report 11 Aug 2013 22:11

Polly is a diminutive of Mary

Molly is more commonly a diminutive of Margaret..............


ErikaH Report 11 Aug 2013 22:12

Who referred to this person as 'Aunt'?

If she was Aubrey's actual aunt...........she must have been the sister (or sister-in-law) of one of his parents............but that would hardly have qualified her as 'young' when he knew her...........


ErikaH Report 11 Aug 2013 22:13

Births Sep 1913 (>99%)
Barnes Aubrey D Caley Walsingham 4b 473

Who were his parents?

Was this their marriage?

Marriages Dec 1891 (>99%)
Barnes Robert Roger Walsingham 4b 769
Barnes Ruth Walsingham 4b 769
Caley Margaret Rook Walsingham 4b 769
Williamson John Wright Walsingham 4b 769


ErikaH Report 11 Aug 2013 22:20

1911 census

Person: BARNES, Robert Address: Common End Fulmodestone Guist Norfolk

BARNES, Robert Head Married M 40 1871 Farm Labourer Barney Norfolk VIEW
BARNES, Margaert Wife Married F 39 1872 Barney Norfolk VIEW
BARNES, Roger Son Single M 16 1895 Farm Labourer Thursford Norfolk VIEW
BARNES, George Son Single M 13 1898 Farm Labourer Thursford Norfolk VIEW
BARNES, Fred Son Single M 11 1900 School Fulmodestone Norfolk VIEW
BARNES, Lizzie Daughter Single F 9 1902 School Fulmodestone Norfolk VIEW
BARNES, Freda Daughter Single F 7 1904 School Fulmodestone Norfolk VIEW
BARNES, Doris Daughter Single F 4 1907 Fulmodestone Norfolk VIEW
BARNES, Lenard Son Single M 0 (5 MONTHS) 1911 Fulmodestone Norfolk VIEW
WRIGHT, Dennis Brother Single M 24 1887 Bakers Labourer Thursford Norfolk


ErikaH Report 11 Aug 2013 22:24

1891 census

Person: WRIGHT, Dennis R Address: St Barney Cottage, Station Road, Barney

CALEY, Robert Head Single M 30 1861 Farm Laborer
Barney, Norfolk VIEW
WRIGHT, Emma E Sister Widow F 36 1855
Barney, Norfolk VIEW
CALEY, Margaret R Niece Single F 17 1874
Barney, Norfolk VIEW
CALEY, George F Nephew Single M 13 1878
Barney, Norfolk VIEW
WRIGHT, Frederick W Nephew M 11 1880 Scholar
Thursford, Norfolk VIEW
WRIGHT, Ann E Niece F 9 1882 Scholar
Thursford, Norfolk VIEW
WRIGHT, Charles Nephew M 8 1883 Scholar
Thursford, Norfolk VIEW
WRIGHT, Dennis R Nephew M 3 1888
Thursford, Norfolk


ErikaH Report 11 Aug 2013 22:27

I wonder if the 'aunt' was a Wright?

Half-sister to Aubrey's mother.........................


ErikaH Report 11 Aug 2013 22:33

1881 census

Person: WRIGHT, Emma Address: Heath Cottage, Thursford

WRIGHT, Richard Head Widower M 70 1811 Gardener
Taverham, Norfolk VIEW
WRIGHT, George Son Married M 30 1851 Ag Lab
Thursford, Norfolk VIEW
WRIGHT, Emma Sons Wife Married F 26 1855
Barney, Norfolk VIEW
CALEY (WRIGHT), Margaret Step Daughter Step Grand Daughter Single F 7 1874 Scholar
Barney, Norfolk VIEW
CALEY (WRIGHT), George Stepson Step Grand Son Single M 3 1878
Barney, Norfolk VIEW
WRIGHT, Frederick Grand Son Single M 1 1880
Thursford, Norfolk VIEW
CALEY, Robert Brother In Law Single M 20 1861 Ag Lab
Barney, Norfolk


ErikaH Report 11 Aug 2013 22:35

Marriages Sep 1879 (>99%)

KALEY Emma Elizabeth Walsingham 4b 463
Wright George Walsingham 4b 463


KempinaPartyhat Report 12 Aug 2013 17:38



Elaine Report 12 Aug 2013 21:59

Apologies to all who have been trying to help me - it seems I should put my comments in this box - so that you all know what the state of play is.

Reggie who has repled to my message has found the correct family in Fulmodestone Norfolk in 1911 Robert Roger Barnes m to Margaret Rook Caley/Kaley & their children. My gran is Doris Ivy Barnes, it was her brother Aubrey Dennis Barnes who told me this story but he was not born unyil 1914.

Reggie has also correctly identified the Caley & Wright family in 1891 & in 1881.
It is possible that Polly was indeed a Wright and that would make her a true Aunt to Aubrey Dennis Barnes & his siblings.

All I know about Aunt Polly is that she was young when she drowned in a local river - possibly the river Wensum?
5 Wright siblings - Frederick William Wright b 1880 Thursford (no info on whether he was married or not, if he was married to a Mary then this could be Polly), Ann E Wright 1882-1956 m George Hutcherson, Charles Edward Wright 1883-1964 m Ida E Nobes 1890-1971, Dennis Robert Wright b 1887 m Caroline E Atkins b1889
Frederick did move away from Norfolk with his sister and her husband & family , I know that some of that line settled in Dunstable Bedfordshire.

Many thanks



Elaine Report 15 Aug 2013 18:44

Hi Again

Kempinapartyhat thought that Aunt Polly may be a Wright and in particular Emma Elizabeth Wright (nee Caley/Kaley). However, as she was my Gran's Grandma I thought it unlikely that she and her siblings would call her Aunt Polly.

However one of her sisters was called Pamela Pemley Kaley/Caley b1845 Barney d1912 Walsall Staffs - I wondered if she could have been nicknamed Polly. It seems she died of a stroke though and not of drowning , unless the stroke was a result of being in the water. She died in Walsall what she was doing there I do not know - I was told it was a local river that she drowned in and that Aunt Polly had also gone a little 'crazy'.

I have also found another sister Mary Ann Kaley b 1845 Barney with a possible Marriage to William Page in 1880 but I cannot find her in 1851 census or a plausable death for her under her maiden or married name. Again Polly is an alternative for Mary.

Many thanks to all



Elaine Report 16 Aug 2013 16:45

Hi Again

Death details were incorrect for Pamela Nobes (nee Caley/Kaley). She actually died 1912 but in district of Walsingham - thought it was unusual for her to be in Walsall! Still don't know whether she is Aunt polly or not though.




Elaine Report 27 Aug 2013 19:17

Hi Again

Been on facebook to gt grandaughter of Pamela Pemley Nobes (nee Caley) - she is not aware of anyone calling her Polly.

Looks like it must be someone else.

Bye for now