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James Belton - Churt 1870

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Robert Report 20 Aug 2013 21:42

I am trying to help a friend find out about his Great Grandfather James Belton.
We know that from both the 1901 & 1911 census's that he was born 1870, & that he gives his place of birth as Churt in Surrey. I am struggling to find his birth registration, if one exists at all, plus the fact that both the Churt & Fresham parishes seem to merge at this time, as well as Belton being a common surname in this part of Surrey.
Any help would be appreciated.


MaureeninNY Report 20 Aug 2013 21:56

Is this his marriage?
London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about James Belton
Name: James Belton
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870
Age: 22
Spouse Name: Isabella Mary Kemp
Spouse Age: 23
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 2 Aug 1892
Parish: Plumstead St Margaret
Borough: Greenwich
Father Name: James Belton deceased Occ:Market gardener
Spouse Father Name: Edward Kemp
Register Type: Parish Register



Mavis Report 20 Aug 2013 22:39

Census 1881

James Belton
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870
Relationship to Head: Grandson
Gender: Male
Civil Parish: Frensham
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Street Address: Whitmore

Employment status:

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Occupation: Scholar
Registration District: Farnham
Sub-registration District: Farnham
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 789
Folio: 54
Page Number: 22
Household Members:
Name Age
Sarah Carpenter 59
Arthur Carpenter 23
Henry Carpenter 20
Walter Carpenter 13
>>>>>James Belton 11 gr son

this is who you may be looking for



MarieCeleste Report 20 Aug 2013 22:46

Hello Robert, before 1874 there were no penalties on parents if they didn't register births so many simply didn't bother.

Can your friend tell you more about James' later life so there are some accurate facts to work back from? For example, that marriage Maureen posted could be very helpful if you confirm who James was married to.


Mavis Report 20 Aug 2013 23:00

Name: James Betton
Baptism Date: 9 Jan 1870
Archive Provided Parish: Churt, St John the Evangelist, with Rushmoor, St Francis
Parish as it Appears: Churt, St John the Evangelist
Father: James Betton
Mother: Fanny Betton

This Belton not Betton



MaureeninNY Report 20 Aug 2013 23:13

Marriages Mar 1867
BALTON James Kingston 2a 331
Carpenter Fanny Frances Kingston 2a 331


Robert Report 20 Aug 2013 23:22

Maureen - I can confirm that this is his marriage to Isabella Mary Kemp.

Mavis - From the research that I have done I to think that this could be our man, but am struggling to pin down a Carpenter family member to the Belton family.

MarieCeleste - apart from the marriage certificate, the only other information is from the 1901 & 1911 census's.
Name: James Belton
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1911
Gender: Male
Age: 41
Birthplace: Churt, Surrey
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: Wandsworth
Sub-District: Springfield
Parish: Wandsworth
County: London

• James
• Middle name
• Surname
• Known as
• Occupation
• Gender
• Birth
• Year of birth
• Date of birth
ABT 1870
• Place of birth
Churt, Surrey.
• Baptism
• Date of baptism
• Place of baptism
• Isabella Kemp
Date of marriage
2 AUG 1892
Place of marriage
St Margarets Church, Plumstead, London.
• Death
• Year of death
• Date of death

• Place of death
Wandsworth, London.


safc Report 20 Aug 2013 23:41


Marriages Jun 1848 (>99%)
dont know who married who here

Amsworth Caroline Lambeth 4 361
ARMSWORTH Caroline Lambeth 4 361
Belton James Lambeth 4 361 xxxxxxxx
Carpenter Ann Lambeth 4 361 xxxxxxxxxx
Carrell John Lambeth 4 361
Gracie Jane Wandsworth 4 361
Lennard Mary Ann Lambeth 4 361
OVER John Lambeth 4 361
RICKETTS Sarah Lambeth 4 361
WHINNETT Samuel Lambeth 4 361


Robert Report 21 Aug 2013 17:37

Thank you all for your help, some new leads to chase down


Mavis Report 21 Aug 2013 23:10

more news for you Robert

Marriage at Wimbledon 25th March 1867

James Balton Full age Lab. father George Balton Lab.
Frances Fanny Carpenter Full age father James Carpenter a Carpenter

The mark X of James Balton -- Fanny Frances Carpenter [names round the other way] wit. John Hare ? and Caroline Collyer?

you wont find James and Fanny Belton/Balton on a census James Belton died aged 42y buried Churt May 30th 1869

1871 Census

Charles Short 21y Railway lab born West Grinstead Sussex
Frances F Short 26y ------ born Frensham
Mary J Batton step dau 3y -- born Frensham
James E Batton step son 1y -- born Frensham

Mary Jane Belton bp 9 Feb 1868 James and Fanny Belton

Marriage -at Ockley 26 Aug 1870
Charles Short FA Batch. Lab. father James Short Lab
Frances Fanny Balton A widow Servant father James Carpenter Lab
Charles Short and Frances Fanny Balton wit Thomas Leaney and Harriet Ski--------?

I believe that Mary J Belton married John Thomas Whybrow 1886 in Plumstead if you find them 1891- 1901 - 1911 Mary Jane says born Whitmore Vale Surrey this is close to Churt.
not found Charles or Frances Fanny 1881 census.

did spot a Frances Fanny Stone married in Walworth 1893 no saying if she is the same Frances Fanny Stone !!!



MaureeninNY Report 22 Aug 2013 00:30


Great work,Mavis. :-D :-D :-D :-



Mavis Report 22 Aug 2013 14:22

Just realised this morning that John Thomas Whybrow /Whybrew was a witness on James Belton marriage to Isabella Kemp

but it looks like John Thomas Whyburn

there was another marriage in Ockley the place that Frances Fanny Belton married

5th March 1871 Ockley

John Carpenter 20y Lab -- father James Carpenter Lab.
Elizabeth Warn 20y ---- Domestic Servant -- father Samuel Warn Bricklayer
John Carpenter X his mark - Elizabeth Warn
wit. Peter Short [Charles Short brother] and Eliza Edwards



Robert Report 22 Aug 2013 18:13

Brilliant work Mavis
, thank you so much, this answers a few more things that I was going to ;look at later.


Mavis Report 22 Aug 2013 19:05

Pleased to help