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John Cox was a greengrocer/hawker in the Aston/Duddeston area of Birmingham about 1870 x 1900. I have his death certificate & he died 1918 aged 80yrs in Cato St. I'm trying to find details of his wife - Caroline. (nee Allwood). She was much younger born: circa 1851. They had 3 children Percy, Maude & Florence & I have their birth certificates.

I cannot find any birth, marriage or death for Caroline. Any help would be appreciated.

Terry Cook

For OUR reference, is this the family in 1901???

1901 Census

Name: John Cox
Age: 50
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Caroline Cox
Gender: Male
Where born: Birmingham

Civil Parish: Aston
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Registration District: Aston
Sub-registration District: Duddeston

John Cox 50 Hawker
Caroline Cox 38 b.ca 1863, Birmingham
Percy Cox 15 b.ca 1886, Birmingham
Maud E Cox 10 b.ca 1891, Birmingham
Florence M Cox 7 b.ca 1894, Birmingham

Address:- 205 Francis Street


Though I would point out that this John Cox is NOT as old as you say your guy was!!

This one is 50 in 1901, which means he would have been about 67 if he died in 1918.



sylvia

This looks like the same family in 1891

1891 Census

Name: John Cox
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Caroline Cox
Gender: Male
Where born: Birmingham

Civil Parish: Aston
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Registration District: Aston
Sub-registration District: Duddeston

John Cox 40 Hawker of Vegetables
Caroline Cox 27 b.ca 1864, Birmingham
Percey Cox 5 b.ca 1886, Birmingham
Maud Cox 7 b.ca 1884, Birmingham <<<<<<<< 7 months old on image!

Address:- 104 Lord Street

His age has changed considerably by 1911

1911 census transcription details for: 24 Cato Street Saltley Birmingham


National Archive Reference:
RG14PN18241 RG78PN1101 RD385 SD3 ED11 SN115
Reg. District: Aston
Sub District: Duddeston
Parish: Aston
Enum. District: 11
Address: 24 Cato Street Saltley Birmingham
County: Warwickshire
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
COX, John Head Married M 73 1838 Hawker Birming St Martins
COX, Caroline Wife Married
26 years F 49 1862 Birmingham Ashted
COX, Percy Son Single M 25 1886 Cycle Polisher Birmingham Icho
COX, Florance May Daughter Single F 17 1894 Birmingham Ashted
FOX, Thomas Boarder Married M 35 1876 Brass Finisher Fizerbad India
FOX, Harriett Boarder Married F 25 1886 Brass Polisher Birmingham

Caroline Allwood married Henry Cole in 1880

Marriages Mar 1880 (>99%)
ALLWOOD Caroline King's Norton 6c 546
COLE Henry King's N. 6c 546

This is her in 1871

National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG10
Piece: 3143
Folio: 70
Page: 39
Reg. District: Aston
Sub District: Duddeston
Parish: Aston
Enum. District: 7
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough: Birmingham
Address: Brook Street, Great Public House (White Hart), Aston, Birmingham
County: Warwickshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
HILDITCH, William Head M 55 1816 Cheshire
HILDITCH, Caroline Wife F 53 1818 Warwickshire
ALLWOOD, Caroline Niece F 8 1863 Warwickshire
ALLWOOD, Charles Nephew M 24 1847 Warwickshire
SOWARD, Margaret Servant F 18 1853 Warwickshire

and in 1881

National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG11
Piece: 3028
Folio: 91
Page: 34
Reg. District: Aston
Sub District: Duddeston
Parish: Aston
Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 145, Dollman St, Aston
County: Warwickshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
HILDITCH, Caroline Head Widow F 64 1817 Provision Shop Ke
Birmingham, Warwickshire
COLE, Caroline Niece Married F 17 1864 Provision Shop Ke
Birmingham, Warwickshire

She married John Cox in 1892

Marriages Dec 1892 (>99%)
Cole Caroline Birmingham 6d 287
Cox John Birmingham 6d 287

Looking for Charles (maybe her brother born 1847) he is unfortunately with the Hilditch family in 1861 and I can't find him in 1851

1861 census transcription details for: 183, Lawley Street, Aston, Birmingham


National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG09
Piece: 2175
Folio: 68
Page: 10
Reg. District: Aston
Sub District: 2 Duddeston
Parish: Aston
Enum. District: 4
Ecclesiastical District: St Jamess
City/Municipal Borough: Birmingham
Address: 183, Lawley Street, Aston, Birmingham
County: Warwickshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
HILDITCH, William Head Married M 45 1816 Gold Beater And Retail Brewer
Lancashire Cheshire
HILDITCH, Caroline Wife Married F 43 1818
Aston, Warwickshire
ALLWOOD, Charles Nephew M 14 1847 Gun Finisher
Aston, Warwickshire
SWEENEY, Mary Servant Unmarried F 17 1844 House Servant
Ireland
HAINES, Mary Visitor Unmarried F 35 1826 Cook Domestic Servant
Birmingham, Warwickshire

The 1911 census clearly says 2 children born and two living..... so I wonder why Maud is not counted?

William Hilditch married Caroline Allwood in 1836

Name: William Hilditch
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Age:
Spouse's Name: Caroline Allwood
Spouse's Birth Date:
Spouse's Birthplace:
Spouse's Age:
Event Date: 26 May 1836
Event Place: Edgbaston,Warwick,England


Now I really have to go.

Back again.

Caroline's date of birth is noted as 1863 - 1864 on every census so this looks like her birth.

Births Dec 1863 (>99%)
ALLWOOD Caroline Aston 6d 282

Caroline Cole, "England Marriages, 1538–1973 "
Name: John Cox
Birth Date: 1846
Birthplace:
Age: 46
Spouse's Name: Caroline Cole
Spouse's Birth Date: 1863
Spouse's Birthplace:
Spouse's Age: 29
Event Date: 28 Nov 1892
Event Place: St.Thomas Parish, Birmingham, Warwick, England
Father's Name: John Cox
Mother's Name:
Spouse's Father's Name: Thomas Cole
Spouse's Mother's Name:
Race:
Marital Status: Single
Previous Wife's Name:
Spouse's Race:
Spouse's Marital Status: Single
Spouse's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M00765-5
System Origin: England-EASy
GS Film number: 1545515
Reference ID: p. 137, # 274

Many thanks to everyone. There is a lot there to consider.

Terry Cook

Drat...............not the right marriage.
Back to the drawing board.
Thanks safc for clearing that up.

Name: Caroline Allwood
Gender: Female
Marriage Date: 29 Feb 1880
Marriage Age: Minor
Marriage Place: Edgbaston, St Bartholomew, Warwickshire, England
Spouse: Henry Cole
Spouse Gender: Male
Spouse Marriage Age: Full
Father: Thomas Allwood, Publican
Spouse's Father: Hann Cole
Reference Number: DRO 53
Archive Roll: M150



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Name: Thomas George Allwood, Polisher
Gender: Male
Birth Year: abt 1826
Marriage Date: 18 Jun 1855
Marriage Age: 29
Marriage Place: Aston, St Peter and St Paul, Warwickshire, England
Spouse: Mary Ann Bryan
Spouse Gender: Female
Spouse Marriage Age: 23
Father: Thomas Allwood, Coffin Furniture Maker
Spouse's Father: Timothy Bryan, Labourer
Reference Number: DRO 41
Archive Roll: M88

Witnesses Emanuel Young and Caroline Bryan

1861

Name: Thomas Allwood
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary Allwood
Mother's Name: Mary Allwood
Gender: Male
Where born: Aston, Warwickshire, England

Civil Parish: Aston
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

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Registration District: Aston
Sub-registration District: Duddeston
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 60
Piece: 2175
Folio: 69
Page Number: 11
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Allwood 35, Spoon Polisher
Mary Allwood 26
Mary Allwood 78, Mother
Mary A Allwood 4

1871

Name: Thomas Allwood
Age: 43
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1828
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Civil Parish: Aston
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
Town: Duddeston cum Nechells
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Registration District: Aston
Sub-registration District: Duddeston
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Household Schedule Number: 131
Piece: 3142
Folio: 82
Page Number: 28
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Allwood 43 <<< PUBLICAN
Maryann Allwood 15
Martha Terry 50


Name: Thomas George Allwood
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1878
Age at Death: 52
Registration District: Aston
Inferred County: Warwickshire
Volume: 6d
Page: 217



Name: Mary Ann Allwood
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1865
Registration District: Aston
Inferred County: Warwickshire
Volume: 6d
Page: 155

1851

Name: Thomas Allwood
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Mary Allwood
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Aston, Warwickshire, England

Civil Parish: Aston
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

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Registration District: Aston
Sub-registration District: Duddeston
ED, institution, or vessel: 25
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 60
Piece: 2061
Folio: 579
Page Number: 15
Household Members:
Name Age
Mary Allwood 62
Thomas Allwood 25
George Allwood 18


1841

Name: Thomas Allwood
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826
Gender: Male
Where born: Warwickshire, England

Civil Parish: Aston
Hundred: Birmingham
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

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Registration District: Aston
Sub-registration District: Duddeston and Nechells
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1149
Book: 11
Folio: 10
Page Number: 13
Household Members:
Name Age
Mary Allwood 55
Matilda Allwood 20
Charles Allwood 18
Thomas Allwood 15
George Allwood 7



Not seeing Mary Ann Bryan in earlier census but I wonder if this is Caroline who was a witness at the marriage.

1851

Name: Caroline Bryan
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837
Relation: Servant
Gender: F (Female)
Where born: Aston, Warwickshire, England

Civil Parish: Aston
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

View Image

Registration District: Aston
Sub-registration District: Duddeston
ED, institution, or vessel: 26
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 87
Piece: 2061
Folio: 611
Page Number: 25
Household Members:
Name Age
William Arrowsmith 64
Rebecca Arrowsmith 68
Ann Small 65
Caroline Bryan 14

This is the only other marriage I am seeing with father Timothy. It is probably the Caroline who witnessed Mary Ann's wedding.


Name: Caroline Bryan
Gender: Female
Marriage Date: 6 Aug 1855
Marriage Age: Full
Marriage Place: Bordesley, St Andrew, Warwickshire, England
Spouse: Richard Allen
Spouse Gender: Male
Spouse Marriage Age: Full
Father: Timothy Bryan <<<<<<Chemist
Spouse's Father: Jawl Allen
Reference Number: DRO 63
Archive Roll: 685

Thank you for the massive response. I now have oceans of information to check over.

Regards all

Terry