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Hello all my Great great grandfather (b. circa 1855) moved from Dublin to Manchester some time in the 1860s or 70s. Possibly Liverpool first as his wife Annie Farrell is from there.

I am having trouble tracking him down. I know his fathers name as I have his marraige cert and on irishgenealogy.ie there is 1 possible baptism but I have no idea really if its him.

I was wondering if anyone had come across this problem before and knew how to go about solving it?

If anyone wants deatials I cab give them but I was wondering is there a immigration record that I can check or something. Any help would be really appreciated.

Danny

Hello Daniel, sadly there are no immigration records between Ireland and England (would make things so much easier if there had been).

Just to double check, is it his birth or marriage certificate that you have?

Thank you MarieCeleste for such a quick reply and for noticing my mistake yes it is his marraige cert :-) I have it corrected now thanks again

could this be their marriage

eBMD Marriage Index, 1837-1915 about Joseph McCarthy
Name: Joseph McCarthy
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1876
Registration District: Manchester
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume Number: 8d
Page Number: 445
Records on Page:
Name
Joseph Collins
Annie Farrell
Catherine Mannion
Joseph McCarthy

Is this Joseph and Annie in the 1881 census? :-

1881 census transcription details for: 2, Purdon St, Manchester

National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG11
Piece: 3979
Folio: 108
Page: 27
Reg. District: Manchester
Sub District: Ancoats
Parish: Manchester
Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:

Address: 2, Purdon St, Manchester
County: Lancashire

Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born

MC CARTHY, Joseph Head Married M 26 1855 Warehouseman
Ireland
MC CARTHY, Annie Wife Married F 24 1857 Piecer Cotton Mill
Liverpool, Lancashire
MC CARTHY, Mary J Daughter Single F 3 1878
Manchester, Lancashire
MC CARTHY, John Son Single M 2 1879
Manchester, Lancashire
MC CARTHY, Charlotte Daughter Single F 0 1881
Manchester, Lancashire
PENDLEBURY, Geo Owen Lodger M 29 1852 Cabinet Maker
Preston, Lancashire
M CARTHY, Owen Geo Lodger Single M 23 1858 Cabinet Maker
Ireland

If so this could be Joseph in the 1871 census:-

1871 census transcription details for: Mark Street, Hulme, Manchester

National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG10
Piece: 4003
Folio: 62
Page: 24
Reg. District: Chorlton
Sub District: Hulme
Parish: Hulme
Enum. District: 53
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough: Manchester

Address: Mark Street, Hulme, Manchester
County: Lancashire

Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born

MOORE, James Head M 32 1839
MOORE, Mary Wife F 30 1841
MOORE, Elizabeth Daughter F 10 1861
MOORE, Mary Daughter F 8 1863
MOORE, Phillan Daughter F 5 1866
MOORE, George H Son M 0 1871 Lancashire
MCCARTHY, John Boarder M 32 1839 Ireland
MCCARTHY, Joseph Boarder M 17 1854 Ireland<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<


Kath. x

What is his father's name and occupation on the marriage certificate?

Kath. x

Hi Kathleen

Thank you so much for your help. I cannot believe that I did not spot that before.
His father John McCarthy was a shoe maker in the marraige certificate. I wonder what relation if any the John in the above entry may be to Joseph?

They were married in 1876 and resided in Ancoats Manchester. Joseph was 22.

Thanks so much again.

Danny

The John McCarthy in the 1871 census was a Chair Maker. No occupation is given for Joseph. Perhaps they were brothers?

Kath. x

maybe i have had a look at it and i amtrying to come at it from a different angle (being his wife annie farrell) now and having trouble that way too. Lots of anns annies etc.

I will let you know what I find out, thanks a million again.

Danny

Danny....1881 shows an Owen Geo.McCarthy living with Joseph.....probably another brother.
There is a marriage of an Owen McCarthy to a Catherine Donnell Reg Man. March Quarter 1882...
May be worth checking it out.

Thanks a mil for your help. I done a bit of digging and found this:

Its a possible baptism cert for a joseph McCarhty and his fathers name matches as does city of birth. More importantly his mother is Jane MOODY, this is the family name that the 17 year old Joseph is living with in Dublin. As long as I can confirm that this 17 yo Joseph is the same as the one married to Annie in 1881 census I would be 99% sure this is his cert:

Name JOSEPH MC CARTHY
Date of Birth 28 May 1854
Address 6 JERVIS S
Father JOHN MC CARTHY
Mother JANE MOODY
Further details in the record
Sponsor 1 ELISA MARLOW
Priest J MULLIGAN
About the record
Book Number Page Entry Number Record_Identifier Image Filename
N/R 92 1388 DU-RC-BA-634672 st.marys_pro-cathedral_mf_1826-1858_ba_0410


Please let me know what you all think and thank you again for all the help :-)

Danny

Seriously jumping the gun there sorry just realised the name is moore not moody!!!

Daniel, where did that baptism take place? If I have found the right couple in 1911, Joseph gives his POB as Dublin; Annie's is Swansea.

Hi Potty / And Everyone

I have so much info now after a morning digging:

I will show you what I have:

First is the Baptism Cert I think may be Josephs?
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Area - DUBLIN (RC) , Parish/Church/Congregation - ST. MARY, PRO CATHEDRAL

Baptism of JOSEPH MC CARTHY of 6 JERVIS S on 9 June 1854

Name JOSEPH MC CARTHY
Date of Birth 28 May 1854
Address 6 JERVIS S
Father JOHN MC CARTHY
Mother JANE MOODY
Further details in the record
Sponsor 1 ELISA MARLOW
Priest J MULLIGAN

Courtesy of irishgenealogy.ie
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Then there is this which is for a McCarthy in the same house/building who has a very simillar name to a man in Josephs residence in 1881.
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Area - DUBLIN (RC) , Parish/Church/Congregation - ST. MARY, PRO CATHEDRAL

Baptism of EUGENIUS OWEN GESTON MC CARTHY of 6 JERVIS ST on 15 June 1857

Name EUGENIUS OWEN GESTON MC CARTHY
Date of Birth 1 June 1857
Address 6 JERVIS ST
Father JOANNES MC CARTHY
Mother JOANNA MOODY
Further details in the record
Sponsor 1 JOANNA GRIFFIN
Priest THOMAS J POWER

And here is the census recoed from 1881

Name: Owen Geo. M Carthy
Age: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858
Relationship to Head: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland

Civil Parish: Manchester
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address: 2 Purdon St

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Occupation: Cabinet Maker

Registration District: Manchester
Sub-registration District: Ancoats
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3979
Folio: 108
Page Number: 27
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Mc Carthy 26
Annie Mc Carthy 24
Mary J. Mc Carthy 3
John Mc Carthy 2
Charlotte Mc Carthy
Geo. (Owen) Pendlebury 29
Owen Geo. M Carthy 23
________________________________________

Just incase this is the same family for the next 3 census:

1891

Name: Joseph Mc Carthy
Age: 36
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ainnie Mc Carthy
Gender: Male
Where born: Dublin, Ireland

Civil Parish: Manchester
Ecclesiastical parish: St Barnabas
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration District: Manchester
Sub-registration District: Ancoats
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3231
Folio: 10
Page Number: 13
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Mc Carthy 36
Ainnie Mc Carthy 34
Mary Jane Mc Carthy 13
John Mc Carthy 12
Annie Mc Carthy 2
Lizzie Mc Carthy 0

1901

Josep McCarthy
Age: 46
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Annie McCarthy
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland

Civil Parish: South Manchester
Ecclesiastical parish: Hulme St John the Baptist
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration District: Chorlton
Sub-registration District: Chorlton upon Medlock
ED, institution, or vessel: 50
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 18
Piece: 3699
Folio: 26
Page Number: 3
Household Members:
Name Age
Josep McCarthy 46
Annie McCarthy 44
Mary Jan McCarthy 23
John McCarthy 22
Annie McCarthy 12
Elizabeth McCarthy 10
John McCarthy 4
Edward McCarthy 20

1911

Name: Joseph McCarthy
Age in 1911: 56
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Dublin, Ireland
Civil Parish: South Manchester
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address: 59 Greenheys Lane Manchester
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Leather Warehouseman
Registration District: Chorlton
Registration District Number: 464
Sub-registration District: Chorlton upon Medlock
ED, institution, or vessel: 24
Piece: 23852
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph McCarthy 56
Annie McCarthy 54
Mary Jane McCarthy 33
John McCarthy 32
Annie McCarthy 22
Elizebth McCarthy 20
James McCarthy 14

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Also you can see in an above entry for a possible Joseph in 1871.

My Great Great Grandparents were Married in 1876 and I have the certificate if anybody needs to know any info that.

I guess what I am asking if anyone can help is to prove the link between the baptisms in Dublin and the census records in Manchester.

Any help as always is greatly appreciated and thank you all very much for everything so far :-)

Off to work now :-)

Danny

Wondered if a Dublin Directory might help. Found 6 Jervis Street on this site:

http://www.libraryireland.com/Dublin-Street-Directory-1862/90.php

but 6 Jervis St is just shown as a tenement, no names or trades

There does appear to be a surviving 1851 Dublin census - sorry don't have time at the moment to search for it but Google does bring up some hits. There is also mention of an 1861.

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1339065

MC is correct - there are no such immigration records. Actually, from a technical point of view, it's hard to immigrate into the UK when you're already a resident of the UK.

Who was Annie's dad, and what did she say was his occupation?

They were married on the 2nd of Dec 1876, Micheal Farrell was deceased at the time but his prof was labourer. Josephs Father was John and he was a shoe maker.

I am just trying to prove the link between Dublin and Manchester and I think the key is Owen Geston McCarthy as in the posts above?