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george rhodes d.o.b 1823 and willim rhodes 1858

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Clare

Clare Report 3 Jan 2014 15:09

Please could anyone give me any info about these two people who came from the derbyshire area.

safc

safc Report 3 Jan 2014 15:17

????

Geo Rhodes, "England and Wales Census, 1881"
Name: Geo Rhodes
Age (Original): 58
Gender: Male
Birth Year: 1823
Birthplace: Hemsworth, Derbyshire, England
Relationship to Head of Household: Head
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Nail Maker
Address: Backmoor
Event Place: Norton (Derby), Yorkshire (West Riding), England
Disability:
Record Type: Household
GS Film number: 1342118
Affiliate Publication Number: RG11
Piece/Folio: 4629 / 70
Page Number: 7
Household Gender Age Birthplace
Head Geo Rhodes M 58 Hemsworth, Derbyshire, England
Wife Jane Rhodes F 56 Coalaston, Derbyshire, England
Daughr Sarah Parr F 33 Coalaston, Derbyshire, England
Son Wm Rhodes M 24 Norton, Derbyshire, England xxxx
Son Walter Rhodes M 16 Norton, Derbyshire, England
Grand Daughr Clara Rhodes F 10 Norton, Derbyshire, England
Grand Daughr Alice Parr F 8 South Bank, Derbyshire, England
Grand Daughr Alice Rhodes F 7 Gleadless, Derbyshire, England
Lodger Head Wm Swinden M 24 Dronfield Woodhouse, Derbyshire, England

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 3 Jan 2014 15:18

Hi Clare and welcome to the boards.

We need some further information to be able to help you with this.

Exactly where in Derbyshire was William born?

Is George Williams father?

Might this be them...

??


..1861 England Census
about William Rhodes Name: William Rhodes
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Relation: Son
Father's Name: George Rhodes
Mother's Name: Jane Rhodes
Gender: Male
Where born: Norton, Derbyshire, England

Civil Parish: Norton
Ecclesiastical parish: Norton
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View Image

Registration District: Ecclesall Bierlow
Sub-registration District: Norton
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 24
Piece: 3467
Folio: 43
Page Number: 6
Household Members: Name Age
George Rhodes 38 (House Nail Maker)
Jane Rhodes 36
Sarah Rhodes 13
Elizabeth Rhodes 11
Eliza Rhodes 6
William Rhodes 4
Herbert Rhodes 2
Luke Biggin 69 (Lodger)
William Biggin 39 (Lodger)


1871 England Census
about George Rhodes Name: George Rhodes
Age: 48
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1823
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Jane Rhodes
Gender: Male
Where born: Norton, Derbyshire, England
Civil Parish: Norton
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Registration District: Ecclesall Bierlow
Sub-registration District: Norton
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Household Schedule Number: 156
Piece: 4667
Folio: 58
Page Number: 31
Household Members: Name Age
George Rhodes 48 (Nail Maker)
Jane Rhodes 46
Herbert Rhodes 10
Lucy Rhodes 8
Walter Rhodes 6
Clara Rhodes 11 Months
Thomas Rhodes 38


safc

safc Report 3 Jan 2014 15:38

????

George Rhodes, "England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975"
Name: George Rhodes
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 13 Oct 1822
Christening Place: St. James', Norton, Derbyshire, England
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: William Rhodes
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Hannah
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I01623-7
System Origin: England-EASy
GS Film number: 6343577
Reference ID: yr 1813-1846 p 55

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 3 Jan 2014 15:51

PM received from Clare....

It seems we have the right family because William's father was a "Nail Maker"

Clare is trying to find out if her William married Ellen Ward.

I have advised her on how to return and to reply on this thread.

Prickles.

Catherine

Catherine Report 3 Jan 2014 15:56

There are 2 or 3 William Rhodes born same time, same area so be sure this is your William you will need to buy a copy of the certificate:-

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index, 1837-1915 about William Rhodes
Name: William Rhodes
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1892
Registration District: Ecclesall Bierlow
Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding
Volume Number: 9c
Page Number: 520
Records on Page:
Name
Edwin Hinchliffe
William Rhodes
Alice Smith
Ellen Ward

Catherine

Catherine Report 3 Jan 2014 15:58

This looks to be the William married to Ellen:-

1901 England Census about William Rhodes
Name: William Rhodes
Age: 44
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Spouse: Ellen Rhodes
Birth Place: Backmoor, Derbyshire, England
Civil Parish: Norton
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation: Road Labourer for Corporation

Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
William Rhodes 44
Ellen Rhodes 35
Clara Hannah Rhodes 7
Herbert Rhodes 6
Katie Jane Rhodes 2
John Albert Rhodes 1

..........states born Backmoor.

Catherine

Catherine Report 3 Jan 2014 16:00

1911 states born Syck:-

1911 England Census about William Rhodes
Name: William Rhodes
Age in 1911: 53
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Syck, Derbyshire, England
Civil Parish: Ecclesall
County/Island: Yorkshire-West Riding
Country: England
Street Address: 2 Ct 11 Harveylebough Rd Hesley Sheffield
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: General Labourer
Registration District: Ecclesall Bierlow
Registration District Number: 509
Sub-registration District: Norton
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Piece: 27772
Household Members:
Name Age
William Rhodes 53
Ellen Rhodes 44
Clara Hannah Rhodes 17
Herbert Rhodes 16
John Albert Rhodes 11
Alice Maud Rhodes 9
Iry Rhodes 6
Norah Rhodes 2
John Albert Ward 36

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 3 Jan 2014 16:04

..1901 England Census
about William Rhodes Name: William Rhodes
Age: 44
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Spouse: Ellen Rhodes
Birth Place: Backmoor, Derbyshire, England
Civil Parish: Norton
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
William Rhodes 44
Ellen Rhodes 35 .....Sheffield Yorkshire
Clara Hannah Rhodes 7
Herbert Rhodes 6
Katie Jane Rhodes 2
John Albert Rhodes 1


England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index, 1837-1915
about William Rhodes Name: William Rhodes
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1892
Registration District: Ecclesall Bierlow
Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding
Volume Number: 9c
Page Number: 520
Records on Page: Name
William Rhodes
Ellen Ward





PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 3 Jan 2014 16:20

Hmmm, so where is William Rhodes in 1891?



Catherine

Catherine Report 3 Jan 2014 17:40

pm received:-



I now need to find ellen rhodes whose maiden name was ward their family if possible.

Regards

clare

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 3 Jan 2014 19:46

Hi Clare

Type your reply in the white box below........and then click on the green "Submit" box.

That way........we can all read your reply and try our best to help you.

Prickles. x :-)

Clare

Clare Report 3 Jan 2014 20:38

Help finding ellen ward who married william rhodes in 1893.

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 4 Jan 2014 00:22

???

IF...this is your Ellen


..1891 England Census
about Ellen Ward Name: Ellen Ward
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Thomas Ward
Mother's Name: Catherine Ward
Gender: Female
Where born: Sheffield, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Norton
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
Town: Backmoor
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration District: Ecclesall Bierlow
Sub-registration District: Norton
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3801
Folio: 93
Page Number: 23
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Ward 46 (File Cutter)
Catherine Ward 44 (File Cutter)
Ellen Ward 24
John A Ward 25
Clara Ward 13
Edward Ward 5

She is not with the family in 1881...

..1881 England Census
about Ellen Ward Name: Ellen Ward
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866
Relationship to Head: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Sheffield, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Norton
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England

Street Address: Norton Lees
Education:

Employment status: View Image
Occupation: General Servant (Domestic)

Registration District: Ecclesall Bierlow
Sub-registration District: Norton
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4629
Folio: 54
Page Number: 10
Household Members: Name Age
John Fulke Chaundy 38
Catherine Harrt. Chaundy 36
Catherine Mary Chaundy 9
Caroline Fanny Chaundy 8
John Horace Chaundy 7
Chas.Edwd. Chaundy 6
Edith Ann Chaundy 2
Arthur Raymond Chaundy
Ellen Ward 15 (General Servant/Domestic)


1881 England Census
about Thos. Ward Name: Thos. Ward
Age: 36
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845
Relationship to Head: Head
Spouse: Catherine Ward
Gender: Male
Where born: Sheffield, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Norton
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England

Street Address: Harvey Clough Rd
Marital Status: Married
Education:

Employment status: View Image
Occupation: File Cutter

Registration District: Ecclesall Bierlow
Sub-registration District: Norton
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4629
Folio: 77
Page Number: 22
Household Members: Name Age
Thos. Ward 36 (File Cutter)
Catherine Ward 32
Joe Ward 11
Ann Elizth. Ward 9
Jno. Albt. Ward 5
Clara Ward 3



1871 England Census
about Ellen Ward Name: Ellen Ward
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Thomas Ward
Mother's Name: Catharine Ward
Gender: Female
Where born: Sheffield, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Ecclesall Bierlow
Ecclesiastical parish: St Matthew
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Registration District: Ecclesall Bierlow
Sub-registration District: Ecclesall Bierlow
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Household Schedule Number: 171
Piece: 4668
Folio: 64
Page Number: 28
Household Members: Name Age
Samuel Barton 28
Hannah Barton 24
Elizabeth Swart 19
Lodgers....
Thomas Ward 26 (File Cutter)
Catharine Ward 23
Ellen Ward 4
Joseph Ward 1









Clare

Clare Report 4 Jan 2014 09:06

Thanks for the help about ellen ward :-) I think this could definitely be her :-)

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 4 Jan 2014 11:31

I have just spotted the "Boarder"....John Albert Ward who appears in the 1911 census.

Household transcription
1911 census

Person: RHODES, William
Address: 2 Court 10 Harvey Clough Road Norton Woodseats Sheffield

RHODES, William Head Married18 years M 53 1858 General Labourer Lyck Derbyshire VIEW
RHODES, Ellen Wife Married F 44 1867 Yorkshire VIEW
RHODES, Clara Hanah Daughter Single F 17 1894 No Occupation Norton Yorkshire VIEW
RHODES, Herbert Son Single M 16 1895 No Occupation Norton Yorkshire VIEW
RHODES, John Albert Son M 11 1900 No Occupation Norton Yorkshire VIEW
RHODES, Alice Maud Daughter F 9 1902 Norton Yorkshire VIEW
RHODES, Ivy Daughter F 6 1905 Norton Yorkshire VIEW
RHODES, Norah Daughter F 2 1909 Norton Yorkshire VIEW
WARD, John Albert Boarder Single M 36 1875 No Occupation Norton Yorkshire VIEW
RG number: RG14
Piece: 27772
Reference: RG14PN27772 RG78PN1590 RD509 SD4 ED9 SN112
Registration District: Ecclesall Bierlow
Sub District: Norton
Enumeration District: 9
Parish: Ecclesall
Address: 2 Court 10 Harvey Clough Road Norton Woodseats Sheffield
County: Yorkshire (West riding)
(10 children born, 7 living, 3 had died)

Looking through the census records........John Albert Ward is Ellen's brother.

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 4 Jan 2014 12:25

Going back to the 1861 census.........George and Jane have 2 boarders.

Luke and William Biggin.

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index, 1837-1915
about George Rhodes Name: George Rhodes
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1855
Registration District: Sheffield
Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding
Volume Number: 9c
Page Number: 376
Records on Page: Name
Jane Biggins
George Rhodes


It seems Luke Biggin(s) was Jane's father.

..1851 England Census
about Jane Biggin Name: Jane Biggin
Age: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1825
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Luke Biggin
Gender: F (Female)
Where born: Coalaston, Derbyshire, England

Civil Parish: Coalaston
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration District: Chesterfield
Sub-registration District: Bolsover
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 30
Piece: 2148
Folio: 558
Page Number: 9
Household Members: Name Age
Luke Biggin 58 ...Norton Derbyshire
Jane Biggin 26 (Unmarried)
James Biggin 10 (Grandson)
Sarah Biggin 3 (Grandaughter)
Elizabeth Biggin 5 Mo (Grandaughter)

Note that Jane and George married in 1855.........and yet on the 1861 census they have a daughter Sarah Rhodes age 13 and a daughter Elizabeth Rhodes age 11.

Perhaps Sarah and Elizabeth Biggin are Jane's illegitimate daughters who took on the surname of Rhodes in 1861.


1841 England Census
about Luke Biggin Name: Luke Biggin
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1801
Gender: Male
Where born: Derbyshire, England

Civil Parish: Dronfield
Hundred: Scarsdale
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation: View Image

Registration District: Chesterfield
Sub-registration District: Dronfield
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 195
Book: 3A
Folio: 6
Page Number: 7
Household Members: Name Age
Robert Unwin 40
Elizabeth Unwin 40
Mary Unwin 16
Edward Unwin 12

Luke Biggin 40
Eliza Biggin 20
Luke Biggin 13
Isaac Biggin 11
Mary Biggin 6
James Biggin 7 Mo

Looking at the image.......the Unwin family are living seperately to the Biggin's.


..1841 England Census
about Jane Bigger Name: Jane Bigger>>>>>>>Biggin on the image.
Age: 17
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1824
Gender: Female
Where born: Derbyshire, England

Civil Parish: Norton
Hundred: Scarsdale
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation: View Image

Registration District: Ecclesall Bierlow
Sub-registration District: Norton
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 195
Book: 18
Folio: 7
Page Number: 8
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Lowe 18 (M.S)....Man servant
Jane Bigger 17 (F.S).... Female Servant

This is how the image appears...

Thomas Linley 38
Sarah Linley 30
Charles Lowe 18
Jane Biggin 17

Clare

Clare Report 5 Jan 2014 19:18

In the 1861 census Jane Biggin is living with her father Luke Biggin unfortunately it doesnt mention her mother!!! Any clues to why please???

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 6 Jan 2014 00:13

Jane's Father Luke is a widower in the 1851 census.

There does not appear to a wife with him on the 1841 census either.

It seems that after Jane married......her Father and brother William moved in with her and her husband George Rhodes.

It's just gone midnight so i will check back on here later today.

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 6 Jan 2014 13:21

??

Pallot's Marriage Index for England: 1780 - 1837
about Ann Booker Name: Ann Booker
Spouse: Luke Biggins
Spouse Comments: B. B. Biggin
Marriage Date: 1814
Parish: Rotherham


Martha Biggin
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening: 10 March 1816 DRONFIELD,DERBY,ENGLAND
father: Luke Biggin
mother: Ann

William Biggin
England, Derbyshire, Church of England Parish Registers, 1538-1910
christening: 31 March 1822 Dronfield, Dronfield, Derbyshire, England
father: Luke Biggin
mother: Anne Biggin


Jane Biggin
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening: 22 February 1824 DRONFIELD,DERBY,ENGLAND
father: Luke Biggin
mother: Ann


James Biggin
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
birth: Norton, Derbyshire England
christening: 6 August 1826 Norton, Derbyshire, England
residence: Norton, Derbyshire, England
father: Luke Biggin
mother: Ann


Luke Biggin
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening: 17 August 1828 DRONFIELD,DERBY,ENGLAND
father: Luke Biggin
mother: Ann


Isaac Biggin
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening: 9 January 1831 DRONFIELD,DERBY,ENGLAND
father: Luke Biggin
mother: Ann


Mary Ann Biggin
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening: 26 May 1833 DRONFIELD,DERBY,ENGLAND
father: Luke Biggin
mother: Ann


Baptisms found on this free site...

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Click on the above link/site and check out Luke's Christening record in 1792.

Prickles.