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Royal Flying Corps illegitimacy mystery!

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ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 11 May 2014 20:39

BRODIE, Robert. ASSAULTED
Roundfield, Kilmartin Parish, Gamekeeper to Poltalloch, 36 in 1851
MCFARLANE, James.
Slochavullain, Kilmartin Parish, Ground Officer, 64 in 1851

http://www.knapdalepeople.com/ArArichonanNameIndex.html

Re Arichonan:
In 1848 the landowner terminated the leases of four of the tenant families but when police came to enforce the evictions the villagers, supported by others from surrounding townships, rioted. Eventually several were jailed.

http://www.walkhighlands.co.uk/argyll/arichonan.shtml

Catfr2009

Catfr2009 Report 11 May 2014 20:33

How do these Brodie's relate in???

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 11 May 2014 20:26

Here's the family in 1851:

1851 Scotland Census about Robert Brodie
Name: Robert Brodie
Age: 36
Estimated birth year: abt 1815
Relationship: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Brodie
Gender: Male
Where born: Arran, Island of
Parish Number: 521
Civil Parish: Kilmartin
County: Argyll
Address: Rounfield
Occupation: Gamekeeper To Poltalloch
ED: 4
Page: 10 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 29
LINE: 11
Roll: CSSCT1851_111
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert Brodie 36
Elizabeth Brodie 28
Elizabeth Brodie 8
John Brodie 6
Robert Brodie 4
Margret Brodie 1
John Mclachlan 22 - assistant gamekeeper
Mary McPhayden 22 - house servant
James Allan 28 - plumber at new mansion

Can't find Robert & Elizabeth's marriage. This is the only feasible marriage anywhere in Scotland, but I would have expected Elizabeth to have been married in Minnigaff. And I can't find an Eliza(beth) McFarlane born in Minnigaff. On the other hand, it would give us the McFarlane connection , as James is listed as their nephew in 1881:

12/03/1842 BRODIE ROBERT ELIZA MACFARLANE/FR460 (FR460) M KILMARTIN /ARGYLL 521/00 0020 0269

(Actually, I find this fascinating. I know Poltalloch House - was beautiful, now in ruins. Built 1851-9. And there's James Allan, a plumber at the new mansion, living with the Brodies! )

Catfr2009

Catfr2009 Report 11 May 2014 19:52

Ahhhhh!!!! So exciting - That's got to be them!!!!!

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 11 May 2014 19:45

I wonder if this is him, living with relatives?


1881 Scotland Census about James McFarlane
Name: James McFarlane
Age: 7
Estimated birth year: abt 1874
Relationship: Nephew
Gender: Male
Where born: Glasgow
Registration Number: 521
Registration district: Kilmartin
Civil Parish: Kilmartin
County: Argyll
Address: Nihall Cottage
Occupation: Scholar
ED: 5
Household schedule number: 8
LINE: 20
Roll: cssct1881_153
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert Brodie 53 - born "Kilbride G, Buteshire"
Elizabeth Brodie 55 - born Minnigaff, Wigtownshire (it's actually in Kirkcudbrightshire)
James Brodie 26 - born Kilmartin, West Indian planter
James McFarlane 7
James McGilp 31 - under gamekeeper
Barbara Demar 21 - general servant

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 11 May 2014 19:41

There were 36 James McFarlanes born in Glasgow 1872-6.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 11 May 2014 19:37

I wonder if this could be the son James?
Were he and George twins?? Though the GROS numbers aren't consecutive.

1876 MCFARLANE JAMES M KELVIN GLASGOW CITY/LANARK 644/09 0505

EDIT: No, he's no relation - I had a look.
This is costing me a fortune - but I'm hooked!

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 11 May 2014 19:19

Eureka!

1905 MCFARLANE GEORGE M 74 WEST KILBRIDE /AYR 620/00 0004
George died 5/1/1905 in West Kilbride.
Widower of Jane Carruthers, married to Flora Baxter.
Cause of Death: Tumour of bladder - 6 months.
Informant: son James McFarlane, of 51 Breadalbane Street, Glasgow

So . . .
possibly their marriage:
1872 MCFARLANE GEORGE CARRUTHERS JANE BLYTHSWOOD GLASGOW CITY/LANARK 644/06 0049


Jane's death:
1876 MCFARLANE JANE CARRUTHERS F 33 KELVIN GLASGOW CITY/LANARK 644/09 0675

This is the birth of their son George:
1876 MCFARLANE GEORGE M KELVIN GLASGOW CITY/LANARK 644/09 1112
Born 5 August 1876, at 11 Myrtle Street.

Presumably Jane died in childbirth, or shortly thereafter.

Can't tell if they had any other children. There are 641 McFarlanes born in Glasgow 1872-6, and can't search using mms. If there were others, they're not with their brother in 1881 or 1891. (ADDED: James, the informant re George's death, must be a son from the first marriage.)

In 1881 and 1891 he's living with his aunt Jeanie (nee McFarlane) and uncle:
[EDIT: Just noticed, Alviegal already posted these on page 2.]

1881 Scotland Census about Geo McFarlane
Name: Geo McFarlane
Age: 4
Estimated birth year: abt 1877
Relationship: Nephew
Gender: Male
Where born: Glasgow
Registration Number: 521
Registration district: Kilmartin
Civil Parish: Kilmartin
County: Argyll
Address: Village Of Stockvultin
ED: 4
Household schedule number: 46
LINE: 19
Roll: cssct1881_153
Household Members:
Name Age
John McVean 58
Jane McVean 57
Margt McVean 32
James McVean 21
Geo McFarlane 4


1891 Scotland Census about George McFarlane
Name: George McFarlane
Age: 14
Estimated birth year: abt 1877
Relationship: Nephew
Gender: Male
Where born: Glasgow, Lanarkshire
Registration Number: 521
Registration district: Kilmartin
Civil Parish: Kilmartin
County: Argyll
Address: Slockvullin
Occupation: Scholar
ED: 4
Household schedule number: 40
LINE: 6
Roll: CSSCT1891_168
Household Members:
Name Age
John McVean 67
Jeanie McVean 66
George McFarlane 14

Catfr2009

Catfr2009 Report 11 May 2014 19:11

Jane's granddaughter has told us that her father mentioned an uncle George and uncle Jimmy who he said were his half uncles as it were so presumably these came from George's first marriage before Flora although who and where from I don't know as I haven't found any trace of them yet!

Catfr2009

Catfr2009 Report 11 May 2014 19:08

George married twice that much we know. I've found a possible wife by the name of Jessie with children Jessie and Alexander but whether they are right or not I don't know. We know about Flora and the two children Neil and Jane though.. Anybody have any idea who George's first wife could be? Not sure who the medallion belonged to as loads of them were called George by the looks of it!!

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 11 May 2014 15:10

If George died died in Scotland, his death certificate may give the name of his first wife if the informant knew the details. I suspect there were children from his first marriage as the son from the second marriage was named for Flora's father which is unusual for Scots at that time.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 11 May 2014 14:40

George in 1851:


1851 Scotland Census about George Macfarlan
Name: George Macfarlan
Age: 19
Estimated birth year: abt 1832
Relationship: Son
Father's Name: James Macfarlan
Gender: Male
Where born: Kilmartin, argyle
Parish Number: 521
Civil Parish: Kilmartin
County: Argyll
Address: Slockvullin
Occupation: Ap House Carpenter
ED: 4
Page: 6 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 18
LINE: 11
Roll: CSSCT1851_111
Household Members:
Name Age
James Macfarlan 63
Ann Macfarlan 21
George Macfarlan 19
James Macfarlan 15
Mary A McKechnes 14
James Kerr 55
Dickson Kerr 20
John Kerr 17

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 11 May 2014 14:20

There's this one - he's a carpenter. It doesn't say if he's single, married, or widowed. No other McFarlanes listed with him:


1861 Census of Canada about George Mcfarlane
Name: George Mcfarlane
Gender: Male
Age: 30
Birth Year: 1831
Birthplace: Scotland
Home in 1861: Ramsay, Lanark, Canada West
Religion: Free Church
Film Number: C-1043
Page Number: 21
Household Members:
Name Age
George Mcfarlane 30

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 11 May 2014 14:13

EDIT: Oops - already posted by Alviegal.

George in 1871, but without spending more credits on SP, can't see if he was a widower then or not:


1871 Scotland Census about George Mcfarlane
Name: George Mcfarlane
Age: 38
Estimated birth year: abt 1833
Relationship: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Kilmartin, arengleshire
Registration Number: 644/7
Registration district: Milton
Civil Parish: Glasgow St George
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 79 Grove Street
Occupation: Joiner
ED: 7
Household schedule number: 71
LINE: 6
Roll: CSSCT1871_134
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert Marshell 40
Ann Marshall 36
Agnes Marshell 14
George Mcfarlane 38
Thomas Boyd 18
George Boyd 24
Peter Millen 21


ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 11 May 2014 13:32

I've had a look at George & Flora's marriage cert, and yes, you're right, rootgatherer, it was George's second marriage, as he was a widower(age 49). Flora was a spinster, age 38 (though she was actually 35).

George's usual address: Sea Mill, West Kilbride;
Parents: James McFarlane, ground officer, deceased, and Elizabeth McFarlane, ms Bell, deceased.

Flora's address: Daltote, North Knapdale.
Parents: Neil Baxter, farmer, deceased, and Mary Baxter, ms McAlpine.

So this is Flora's birth, and not the one I posted further up this page:

15/01/1850 BAXTER FLORA NEIL BAXTER/MARGARET MCALPINE FR327 (FR327) F NORTH KNAPDALE /ARGYLL 530/00 0020 0157

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 11 May 2014 09:55

Still think it unlikely that the medal would have belonged to Jane's father. He would have been 90 in 1927. When did he die please? Was his marriage to Flora a second marriage and if so did he have children from his first marriage?

There are a few Scots born George McFalanes on the 1930 and 1940 Detroit census.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 11 May 2014 08:46

Perhaps he was there for the St Andrew's Society Picnic, or the Scotch Picnic, August 18th?

http://cec.chebucto.org/ClosPark/Boblo.html

That year (1927) The United Commercial Travelers held their first ever picnic at Bob-Lo. It attracted 5,000. Other picnics mentioned for that season were The United States Naturalization Bureau, The Police Lieutenants (August 8th), and The Scotch Picnic and St. Andrew's Society Picnic, both held August 18th. The Scotch Picnic drew 12.000. Events included a parade with participants in traditional costume, bagpipe contests, and sport games like the caber toss.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 11 May 2014 08:40

In that case I would guess the "medal" is some sort of novelty souvenir bought at this funfair:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boblo_Island_Amusement_Park

George was likely just on holiday, or visiting relatives.

patchem

patchem Report 11 May 2014 06:38

This Bob-low?

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=ffdEsKTApSoC&pg=PA6&lpg=PA6&dq=bob-low+detroit&source=bl&ots=BJYWAkuu9U&sig=rZgWjhmcTZf0rKcqy_tiEa3V9KI&hl=en&sa=X&ei=zQtvU__fHMPBOKu3gaAI&ved=0CFoQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=bob-low%20detroit&f=false

Catfr2009

Catfr2009 Report 11 May 2014 00:32

We've finally worked out what the medal says - "Longest distance travelled Glasgow to Bob-low 18th August 1927. George McFarlane"