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I am looking for information on mary ann dean before she was married I believe she was born in kent I believe dean was her maiden name she married joseph mcguinness I believed she married him in 1886 they had 10 children by 1911 but sadly 3 died I cant find any of the death certificate for the children or any information on the living ones am wondering if people could help me to find out what happened to them all

For our info - presumably this is the marriage you've found?

Marriages Mar 1886 (>99%)
>>>Dean Mary Ann S. Shields 10a 717
>>>McGUINNESS Joseph S.Shields 10a 717
Sweeney Mary Ann S. Shields 10a 717
Wilkinson John S. Shields 10a 717

1891 census
Name: Joseph McGuinness
Age: 27
Estimated birth year: abt 1864
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary A McGuinness
Gender: Male
Where born: South Shields, Durham, England
Civil Parish: Hedworth Monkton and Jarrow
Ecclesiastical parish: St Cuthberts
Town: Hebburn
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Registration district: South Shields
Sub registration district: South Shields
ED, institution, or vessel: 36
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4169
Folio: 91
Page Number: 49
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph McGuinness 27
Mary A McGuinness 27 - Tunbridge Wells, Kent
William J McGuinness 4
Joseph McGuinness 3
Catherine McGuinness 2
Matilda McGuinness 7/12

There is this birth although it makes her slightly older than in the 1891 census above. Perhaps she took a bit off her age so she didn't appear older than her husband:-

First name(s) MARY
Last name DEAN
Birth year 1862
Birth quarter 2
Registration month -
Mother's last name -
District TUNBRIDGE WELLS
County Kent
Country England
Volume 2A
Page 442

or this one but not in Tunbridge Wells:-

First name(s) MARY ANN
Last name DEAN
Birth year 1864
Birth quarter 3
Registration month -
Mother's last name -
District FAVERSHAM
County Kent
Country England
Volume 2A
Page 637

Kath. x

Might she have said TW being the closest town rather than name a village or hamlet/

As it wasn't compulsary to register a birth until 1873, it might be best to purchase a copy of the MC. That would give the name of her father, if known.

Later census only says kent, London or Kent!

As you've asked about the children - for follow up

1901

Name: Joseph McGuinness
Age: 37
Estimated birth year: abt 1864
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Spouse: Mary A McGuinness
Birth Place: South Shields, Durham, England
Civil Parish: Hebburn
Ecclesiastical parish: Hebburn St John
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Street address:
Registration district: South Shields
Sub-registration district: Jarrow
ED, institution, or vessel: 44

Piece: 4745
Folio: 131
Page Number: 37
Household schedule number: 189

Joseph McGuinness 37
Mary A McGuinness 37
William McGuinness 14
Joseph McGuinness 13
Catherine McGuinness 12
Matilda McGuinness 10
Mary A McGuinness 6
Charles McGuinness 4
..............

1911
Name: Joseph Mc Guinness
Age in 1911: 48
Estimated birth year: abt 1863
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: South Shields, Durham, England
Civil Parish: Hebburn
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Street address: 23 Prince Consort Road Hebburn On Tyne
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Labourer In Chemical Works
Registration district: South Shields
Registration District Number: 556
Sub-registration district: Jarrow
ED, institution, or vessel: 33
Piece: 30381
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Mc Guinness 48
Mary Ann Mc Guinness 47
Joseph Mc Guinness 23
Kate Mc Guinness 21
Mary Ann Mc Guinness 16
Norah Mc Guinness 10
Lawrance Mc Guinness 7

10 Children born, 3 died. Those listed born in Hebburn

Looking for a pattern 8 children named on census

William John b 1886
Joseph b 1888
Catherine Ann b 1889
Matilda b 1890
Mary Ann b 1895
Charles b 1897
Norah 1902
Lawrence 1905

Look for South Shields births and infant deaths for 1890-1895 and then 1897-1902-1905.

It may be an impossible task without purchasing numerous B and D certs. Don’t forget that they may have named a surviving child after one who had died. It might be worth looking to see if there was an earlier Mary Ann, named after her mother.
……………..
Pension records WW1
Name: Joseph McGuinness
Gender: Male
Birth Date: abt 1888
Birth Place: Hebburn, Durham, England
Marriage Date: 3 Apr 1912
Age: 26
Document Year: 1914
Regimental Number: 16963
Regiment Name: East Yorkshire Regiment
Form Title: Short Service Attestation
Number of Images: 7
Other Records: Search for 'Joseph McGuinness' in other WWI collections

Family Members: Name Relation to Soldier
Joseph McGuinness
Self (Head)
Emma Harman - spouse
Joseph McGuinness - son
Born and baptised 4 Apr 1914, Hebburn

Married Emma on 3 Apr 1912.
Emma’s address 81 (might be 80) Western Rd, Jarrow

Lawrence Mcguinness
England, Select Deaths and Burials, 1538-1991

Name: Lawrence Mcguinness
Gender: Male
Age: 52
Birth Date: 1905
Death Date: 9 Dec 1957
Death Place: Hebburn
Burial Date: 12 Dec 1957
Burial Place: Hebburn
FHL Film Number: 2046619

Oh wow that information looks good will have to have a look at the specially the ww1 records thanks for the help if you happen to see any new information on the children please pass it along

Use freebmd to look for marriages and deaths. Lawrence's is reg in Durham N E to give you some idea of the districts.
This site may help you sort them out http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/

There are a number of Catholic McGuinness families in the area. As you can imagine, it's difficult sorting out BMD without purchasing Certs.

Northumberland and Durham Marriages Transcription

First name(s) MARY ANN
Last name DEAN
Marriage year 1886
Marriage day 06
Marriage month Jan
Place -
Groom's first name(s) John
Groom's last name Wilkinson
Groom's parish -
Bride's first name(s) Mary Ann
Bride's last name Dean
Bride's parish -
Description Jarrow Grange, Christ Church
County Durham
Country England
Record set Northumberland and Durham Marriages
Category Birth, Marriage & Death (Parish Registers)
Record collection Marriages & divorces
Collections from United Kingdom
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Northumberland and Durham Marriages Transcription
First name(s) MARY ANN
Last name SWEENEY
Marriage year 1886
Marriage day 03
Marriage month Jan
Place -
Groom's first name(s) Joseph
Groom's last name McGuiness
Groom's parish -
Bride's first name(s) Mary Ann
Bride's last name Sweeney
Bride's parish -
Description Jarrow Grange, Christ Church
County Durham
Country England
Record set Northumberland and Durham Marriages
Category Birth, Marriage & Death (Parish Registers)
Record collection Marriages & divorces
Collections from United Kingdom


Maureen

Booger! At least that explains why we couldn't find anything in Kent !! :-| :-D

:-D :-D :-D

I think the marriage cert might be needed on this one!

Maureen

hi
found a death for matilda 1901 aged 11 which matches the 1901 census aged 10 died last 1/4 sept-dec thats the only matilda born that matches the death age