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UK, City and County Directories, 1766 - 1946
Name: Leonard Titcombe
Street address: 101 Coventry rdHay Mill Yrdley
Occupation: Fruitr
Publication Title: 1915 Kelly´s Directory of Birmingham
City: Birmingham
County: Warwickshire
Country: England
Publication Year: 1915
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England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Leonard Titcombe
Birth Date: abt 1885
Date of Registration: Sep 1920
Age at Death: 35
Registration district: Birmingham
Inferred County: Warwickshire
Volume: 6d
Page: 229
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England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966
Name: Leonard Titcombe
Probate Date: 20 Jul 1920
Death Date: 26 Jun 1920
Death Place: Birmingham, West Midlands, England
Registry: Birmingham, England

of 327 Green Lane, Small Heath, Birmingham. Motor body finisher died 26th June at the General Hospital. Administration Birmingham to Sarah Ann Titcombe, widow

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Name: Ernest Titcombe
Electoral Year: 1911
District: Masterton
Region or Province: Wellington

Occ. butcher


Name: Ernest Titcombe
Electoral Year: 1919
District: Manawatu
Region or Province: Manawatu-
Occ butcher
With Alice Titcombe

With Alice
Name: Ernest Titcombe
Electoral Year: 1928
District: Manawatu
Region or Province: Manawatu-Wanganui
Occ butcher

With Alice
Name: Ernest Titcombe
Electoral Year: 1935
District: Manawatu
Region or Province: Manawatu-Wanganui
Robinson street Foxton

Occ butcher
Same address in 1938

Name: Ernest Titcombe
Electoral Year: 1946
District: Manawatu
Region or Province: Manawatu-Wanganui
With an Elsie Mary spinster
6 Cook Street Foxton
Occ butcher

On his own same address
Name: Ernest Titcombe
Electoral Year: 1949
District: Manawatu
Region or Province: Manawatu-Wanganui
Occ butcher

Name: Mr E Titcombe
Gender: Male
Departure Date: 14 May 1910
Port of Departure: Plymouth, England
Destination Port: Wellington, New Zealand
Ship Name: Ruapehu
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Shipping line: New Zealand Shipping Co Ltd
Official Number: 111357
Master: F Forbes

Elsie married in 1920 to William Osmond Butler. From the trade directories it looks as though he was a butcher.

Marriage:
Name: Elsie Titcombe
Spouse : William O Butler
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1920
Registration district: Kings Norton
Inferred County: Worcestershire
Volume Number: 6d
Page Number: 111
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This is them on the electoral register living with Elsie's Mum (Elsie's Dad died in 1938):

1939 40 WOODWELLS ROAD Erdington Washwood Heath
Ellen Titcombe
William Osmond Butler
Elsie Butler
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This is William & Ellen in 1927- before this they were living at 57 Flora Road.

1927 40 WOODWELLS ROAD Erdington Washwood Heath
William Titcombe
Ellen Titcombe
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England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966
Name: William Titcombe
Probate Date: 18 Mar 1938
Death Date: 22 Feb 1938
Death Place: Birmingham, West Midlands, England
Registry: Birmingham, England

of 40 Woodwells Road. died 22nd February, Probate Birmingham 18th March to Ellen Titcombe, widow.
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Ellen died in 1946:

England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966
Name: Ellen Titcombe
Probate Date: 8 Oct 1946
Death Date: 5 Jul 1946
Death Place: Birmingham, England
Registry: Birmingham, England

of 40 Woodwells Road, Ward End, Birmingham, widow, died 25th July 1946. Probate Birmingham 8th October to Elsie Butler (wife of William Osmond Butler)

Jude......we certainly do have some ratbags in our pasts.........my Great Grandfather left my Great grandmother at some point in the late 1890's early 1900 's and I am having a real challenge trying to find him?? I have another thread about him. Henry Arthur LEE. ????

Yes, Jennifer, for my sins Hyde is a family line. My mother's mother was a Hyde. She was born - coincidentally - in Aston Birmingham where William and Ellen married. Her family moved to South Wales in the late 1890s.

I certainly have relatives in Australia after my great great grandfather's brother emigrated (and married bigamously - just like the wife he left behind)!

However, as I have found Hyde is a very very common name :-(

Jude

Just incase you decide it's the right family

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
2, Lilly Green, Aston, Warwickshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
William Tidcombe Head Married Male 33 1828 Ivory Button Maker Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Caroline Tidcombe Wife Married Female 53 1808 - Worcester, Worcestershire, England
Ada Tidcombe Daughter - Female 10 1851 Scholar Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Emily Tidcombe Daughter - Female 8 1853 Scholar Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
John Tidcombe Son - Male 6 1855 - Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Eliza Tidcombe Daughter - Female 3 1858 - Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
William Tidcombe Son - Male 0 1861 - Birmingham, Warwickshire, England

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1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Coleshill Street Court, Birmingham, Warwickshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
William Titcombe Head Married Male 23 1828 Flat Cutter Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Caroline Titcombe Wife Married Female 23 1828 - Fernhill Heath, Worcestershire, England
Ellen Titcombe Daughter - Female 3 1848 Scholar Aston, Warwickshire, England
Ader Titcombe Daughter - Female 0 1851 - Birmingham, Warwickshire, England

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1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Aston Street Court, Birmingham, Warwickshire, England

First name(s) Last name Gender Age Birth year Birth place
Thomas Filcombe Male 45 1796 - Bone Cutter
Eleanor Filcombe Female 45 1796 -
Ellen Filcombe Female 20 1821 -
William Filcombe Male 14 1827 Warwickshire, England
Sarah Filcombe Bradbury Female 2 1839 Warwickshire, England
Charlotte Heath Female 20 1821 Warwickshire, England

Many many thanks to you all.
Jude that would be awesome for you to message me and yes he did come to NZ in 1910 and was a butcher in Shannon And from there to Foxton. He had 2 sons and 2 daughters, the eldest son, my fathe in law.??

On another not Jude, I see you are researching the name Hyde. I have a Hyde in my own tree on my mothers side. Lilias HURST who married Cecil HYDE. They lived in Palmerston North NZ.??

His NZ enlistment shows him to be Ernest Titcombe, Butcher, Shannon Meat Company, Shannon

According to the tree he emigrated in 1910

Jude

The last census in 1901 shows Ernest as a Fruiterer's help, presumably working for his Father. Who's to say what his job was by the time he emigrated. His marriage certificate will hopefully tell you his father's name/occupation?

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Heneage Street, Aston, Warwickshire, England


First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
William Titcomb Head - Male 42 1829 - Warwickshire, England Bone Cutter
Caroline Titcomb Wife - Female 42 1829 - Worcestershire, England
Ada J Titcomb Daughter - Female 20 1851 - Warwickshire, England Wire Worker
Emily Titcomb Daughter - Female 18 1853 - Warwickshire, England Button Press Worker
John Titcomb Son - Male 15 1856 - Warwickshire, England Tool and Lathe Maker
Eliza Titcomb Daughter - Female 12 1859 - Warwickshire, England Scholar
William Titcomb Son - Male 10 1861 - Warwickshire, England
Prudence Titcomb Daughter - Female 8 1863 - Warwickshire, England
James Titcomb Son - Male 1 1870 - Warwickshire, England

No I can download them and pm them to you!

Will do so shortly

Jude

Jude.......my Ernest was a butchers boy in UK and when he came to NZ. My husbands Father took over from him in the Butchery in NZ.
Would I have to join ancestry to be able to see the photographs you have seen??

Name:
Ernest Titcombe

Baptism Date:
12 Oct 1892

Baptism Place:
Birmingham, St Matthias, Warwickshire, England

Father:
William Titcombe

Mother:
Ellen Titcombe

Reference Number:
DRO 8

address 190 Summer lane , father's occupation FISH MONGER

This could be the fourth child..

Name:
William Titcombe
Gender:
Male
Burial Date:
14 Feb 1885
Burial Place:
Aston, Warwick, England
Age:
1
Birth Date:
1884
Father's Name:
William Titcombe
Mother's Name:
Ellen Titcombe

Jude

There's a tree on Ancestry with some photographs of Ernest

Yes, gg just looking at that one...he had a varied career!

Jude

If this is the correct William b 1861, then he had a change of occupation by 1891!

Again, his marriage certificate to Ellen, should confirm his (and hers) Father's name/s and occupation

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
229, Heneage Street, Aston, Warwickshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
William Titcomb Head Married Male 53 1828 Bone Sawyer Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Caroline Titcomb Wife Married Female 52 1829 - Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Eliza Titcomb Daughter Single Female 22 1859 Button Maker Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
William Titcomb Son Single Male 20 1861 Button Turner Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Prudence Titcomb Daughter Single Female 18 1863 French Polisher Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Jane Titcomb Daughter Single Female 11 1870 Scholar Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Clara Titcomb Daughter Single Female 7 1874 Scholar Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Emily Finnemore Daughter Married Female 28 1853 Button Cutter Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Amy Finnemore Grand Daughter Single Female 7 1874 Scholar Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
William Finnemore Grand Son Single Male 2 1879 - Birmingham, Warwickshire, England

You can use this free site to look for bmd's from Q3 1837 when Registration began to approximately the 1960's at present. It's an on going project which will eventually go to 1984

http://www.freebmd.org.uk

And the 1881 and 1871 census are free on this site, where many baptisms and marriages are also available

https://familysearch.org

His marriage certificate should confirm at least Father's name and occupation?

EDIT - birth and death of possible 4th child removed - not likely

marriage maybe?

Marriages Dec 1881 (>99%)
OSBORN Ellen Aston 6d 505
Titcumb William Aston 6d 505

Jude