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Fantastic! TVM. Now I'm getting somewhere.
So now I've got the gals in 1851 in Brewood and corrected HEWEY to HERVEY.
Working on the rest now.
Tvvvm.

Nicola I don't use Ancestry or FMP so don't know what is wrong...have you tried using Mary Marshall's name instead ?
On Family Search..1851 has Jane and Janet 's surname as Hewey

1861.. Gloucestershire St Caths.Kingholm she is down as Jane Kerney

1871..Worcestershire Whistones she is down as Jane Marshall

Sp you can access all from Familysearch.org

Thank you both again.

And I STILL can't get up the Hervey gals in their subsequent census entries - is it me? Ancestry just doesn't cough.

Nicola.....I remember well the Dublin Soc.Ladies !! Had great full researching them back in the day...where have the years gone....TINE came to mind whilst I was up in the Highlands and Islands looking for something and the surname SINE jumped out ...never came across it before.

This link will explain Burgess and Guild Brethren

https://familysearch.org/wiki/en/Scotland_Occupations

(is below on a 'Thread' somewhere, really don't want to repeat!, but if any help)

Chris :)


Entry from Transcription of Madras Marriage Indexes 1851 - 1870
Marriage Year 1863
Husband First Names Henry E D
Husband Surname Bayley
Wife First Names Frances A
Wife Surname FitzGerald
Prefix N/2
Volume Number 44
Folio 112
LDS Film Reference 521852
IOR Reference Z/N/2
Transcribed by Kerrie Farmer

http://search.fibis.org/frontis/bin/

(Families in British India Society)


Deaths Mar 1914 (>99%)
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Bayley Frances A 79 Steyning 2b 371


Name: Henry Elliott Dashwood BAYLEY
Event type: Biography
Start date: 27 May
Start year: 1840
End date: 01 Jul
End year:1916
Biographical notes:
Madras Army, b 27 May 1840, ret 5 Jun 1892, d 1 Jul 1916; m (1) Frances Adelaide 7 Apr 1863 (b 5 Feb 1834, d 4 Jan Isabella Oakes b 24 Mar 1864, d 23 Aug 1925; 1914) Fanny Adelaide b 10 Apr 1865; Henry Elliott Dashwood b 10 May & d 14 Jun 1866; Mary Anne b 14 Sep 1867, d 1 Jul 1868; James Harrington Montague b 6 Sep 1869, d 13 Sep 1875; Edith Kathleen b 9 Oct 1870, m 5 Feb 1891; Alice Eileen b 23 Jan 1872, d 10 Mar 1885; Ethel Amy b 12 Sep 1874; William Arthur b 25 May 1878; m (2) Gertrude 16 Feb 1915 (b 14 Jun 1846, d 28 Jan 1929)

Transcribed by: British Library
India Office Records Reference: L/AG/23/10/1-2
Source name:

http://indiafamily.bl.uk/ui/AdvanceDiscovery.aspx


http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1285705?page=0

(relates to above. William Barry Fitzgerald)

Thank you ChrisHo for that extra on 'the girls' and to Erin ditto.

And also Erin: yes, I'd seen those census entries for 'the girls' but really wanted to get them up for myself so that I could pore over them. Still can't get my ancestry to cough - are they under 'Hervey', or one of the other corruptions of that name??? I really want to see these for myself, if poss.

And Erin again: fantastic to have nailed my Jean Winning at long, long last. But - what on earth does 'Burgess and Build Brethren' mean? I must be terribly ignorant, I think.

And Erin again, again: 'TINE' has never really left my wonderings all this time, so I wonder why it's still in your helpful mind as well? This weekend, I was tackling yet more family notes which have been buried under so much 'stuff' and I found that my dear Great Aunt [died a few years ago aged 104 and the one who pulled together so much of the notes/trees/letters etc for posterity] has typed the following at the top of one of her 'trees':
"Col. H.E.D. Bayley (d 1916)
m. Frances Adelaide Tine (or Frances Fitzgerald? d.1914)"
and so on.
Now HEDB and FAF and deffo my Great Great Grandparents with lovely photos and histories attached. It's so unlike my Great Aunt to not know her own Grandmother's full name - she was sharp as a tack right up until the last and VERY involved in family matters. Nevertheless, there is a little clue about the curious word on the headstone which I had raised in my post way back in 2009! Still don't think we shall ever know the details behind it - unless, long shot, TINE is an Irish nickname/endearment/other ?????????????????? Frances came from a prominent Irish family.

Back to the expert, please.
:-D

Nicola...Can you recall your query about the when you were trying to identify what was written on a gravestone..."TINE" or something similar...I cannot locate the thread.....


EDiT...Found it (2009)

Nicola...Have found the following relating to the 1st marriage of James Hervey Merchant (Glasgow)..may just round off that part of the "History"

Hervey James Merchant (Burgess and Guild Brethren) married Jean 1st daughter of William Winning Tailor (B.and GB) Glasgow 2nd February 1781

The above is from Scottish Record Society (Edinburgh)

Nicola ..I am getting as bad as you...I knew somewhere I had seen record of Janet and Jane in 1851..well after spending the entire morning looking have found it...Its on this thread !!!!
GlasgowLass 10 May 12.02..they are with the MARSHALLS did you not notice when you read through she has also listed where they were in 1861 and when Jane was in the Asylum in Taunton. My own thread 12 May10.57 shows Janet down as MARSHALL !!!

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/21081/page/943

(just been looking round on Gazettes Online, same as Egb found)

Chris :)

(no idea if below)

Baptism: 9 Sep 1818 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Frances Lassells - [Child] of James Lassells & Frances
Abode: St Ann's St
Occupation: Professor of Dancing
Baptised by: J. Pulford Curate
Register: Baptisms 1818 - 1819, Page 135, Entry 1402
Source: LDS Film 1656378

http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Search/indexp.html

(1841/51 Liverpool, but also a Frances Lascelles 1851 Pershore, Mistress of Girls School, but says Born 1832, and 1841 London, Father Honourable William Lascelles) (looks perhaps to be Lady Caroline Lascelles for his wife)

NOTICE is hereby given, that the Partnership
between the undersigned, Janet Hervey and Frances--
Lascelles in the business, or occupation of Schoolmistresses,
at Neston, in the county of Chester, under the firm of
Hervey and Lascelles, was this day dissolved by mutual
consent, and in future the Suhool will be carried on by the
said Janet Hervey on her separate account, and who will
pay and receive all debts owing from and to the said partnership.—
Witness our hands this 22nd day of March 1850;
Janet Hervey.
, : Frances Lascelles. - - : ^

Nicola this is from The London Gazette page 943 29th March 1850 as you can see Janet carried on running the school.

1850 Friday, March 29.

http://archive.spectator.co.uk/article/30th-march-1850/20/commercial-gazette

(as same notice on above, from google search)

Chris :)

Officially annoyed! I had carefully put together a lovely long post and it got 'absorbed' into the ether. So I'll try again now.

Thank you very much ChrisHo:) for the article about Ashfield House. I've contacted the present owners of this lovely old house and we have swapped our histories about the house. I love to swap these snippets. Am also hoping that the local archives may have more about the house ...............

I'm puzzled about the below which ChrisHo added at the top of this page:
"06 April 1850 - Manchester Courier and Lancashire General Advertiser
PARTNERSHIPS DISSOLVED
Hervey and Lascelles, Neston, Cheshire, schoolmistresses
(another dated 15th April, Janet Hervey, Frances Lascelles, Neston, Cheshire schoolmistresses. Debts received and paid by Hervey)"
Is this the complete newspaper article or is there more to be seen?
And the reason that I'm slightly puzzled is that the Head School Mistress CHRISTINA HERVEY didn't die until 24th June of that year, yet it looks as if the School was already in the process of being wound up. Perhaps her DC which I have ordered may shed some light on this; perhaps she was already ill ..... Will add the info from her DC when I get it.

I am officially going to have to more or less ignore the Marshall branch of the family as mentioned above because I already have so much on my plate to do with the narrower line. But thank you all the same.

I have all the Hervey Kibble stuff already. And as it happens Sarah Kibble and her son James are buried in Buglawton graveyard in the adjacent grave to my GGGAunt Violet May Besant, nee Hervey. We were clearing the Besant grave with all its wonderful engraved grave kerbs when we almost tripped over the Kibble headstone. Extraordinary. And that revelation led to me being offered the Kibble family bible ..............

Erin: the Marshall will proved by my GGGrandfather Robert Kibble Hervey, Barrister just wonderfully ties together all the research. He was a very good looking man - photographs prove this - and after his first wife died my GGGmother, he married his 19 year old Ward of Court when he was 70+!! After his death in Montreux, she remarried and we and them have been family friends for many, many years.

Absolutely wonderful to have nailed the first wife's name of James Hervie as Jean Winning. All my ancient family notes and trees do not name her and I'd always wondered what the name of my 4x GGrandmother was. This is a super piece of info. Thank you.

GlasgowLass and the Hervey sisters JANE, JANET AND ?MARY?: we knew that Jane and Janet were living in Brewood after the school closed down because, amazingly, they are mentioned in the write-up in the Cheetham's Register where their younger half brother THOMAS KIBBLE HERVEY was a schoar (and other Hervey's/Law's/Booth's in our family, too - a brainy lot!). The article was written by the son of the outgoing headmaster Jeremiah Smith and son writes that his father retired to his 'home' in Brewood and also that his father allowed two sisters of TKH to live in a house in the village also from "c.1848-c.1854". Isn't that a helpful piece he's delivered to us! But I cannot get my ancestry to find any of the Hervey sisters after the easy 1841 record; is this a case of the 'Hervey' surname being mistranscribed again? PLEASE give me a pointer on these so I can get them up for myself.

Thank you all, as always.
Am trying to add a big smile, but site isn't complying.







:-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D

(other bit added on Ashfield House, nothing else on other snippets)

Chris :)

http://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/

(think you would probably find more on family, if you have time, worth looking on above)


29 June 1850 - Manchester Courier and Lancashire General Advertiser

Death
On the 24th inst., at Seacombe, Christina, eldest daughter of the late James Hervey, Esq., of this town,

I'm back - sort of.
There is SO MUCH information which you've all uncovered and it ALL fits in with handed down family notes/scribbles/hand drawn trees/letters, etc.
Some of what you've all found above I had already found, too; but most of it is fresh and fascinating.
THANK YOU.
And to Chris Ho:) - please could you ping me the full text of those notices about the winding up of the Hervey sisters' school? I'd be very grateful.
:-D

Like Erin, I feel somewhat 'beseiged' by all of this. I think that I'm going to have to bypass the Marshall's because although they have a relationship with my lot, it's just getting too thin!!

Give me some time to sort all the above out. Darkened room, quart of strong coffee, no distractions ........................

I may need several days on this one - current living family beckons.

:-) :-)

Death Notice for George RJ Marshall..(G "M" J Marshall on notice)

The Western Times Exeter Tuesday 11 March 1873

February 4 Wellington Terrace Taunton aged 46 Years. Late Capt.36 Regiment.

Very sparce with details..!!!

Well Edith M (Rawlins) Marshall has me puzzled but don't have access to check Census images....

1891 She is living Gloucester Tce Paddington....age and place of birth correct. She is stated as being "Daughter" to Head of family but only showing herself and a niece and couple of servants.

1901 She is stated as being a "Sister of Bethany" (Sister of Mercy) living Clerkenwell. ...again age and place of Birth corresponds

1911 Finds her living in an "Institution" in Christchurch Bournemouth.

There is a "Willie" Marshall b 1872 Devon living and working as a Shipping Clerk in Islington 1891 could possibly be Frank Wm

Thanks for that Chris..!! Thought I would have a Hervie/Kibble/Marshall free day but you have my curiosity going again...didn't realise WFTM had married.. and only just before he died..

Edith M .b 1849 was the daughter of Samuel and Catherine..He was a JP and Manuf. living Moseley Worcs.eventually ending up living in Kingston (on Thames)1881




Edith Mary Rawlins

England and Wales Marriage Registration Index

Name Edith Mary Rawlins
Event Type Marriage
Registration Quarter Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration Year 1871
Registration District Droitwich
County Worcestershire
Event Place Droitwich, Worcestershire, England
Volume 6C
Page 540
Line Number 254


Worcester Herald Worcestershire, England

26 Aug 1871




Arthur Rawlins, cousin of the bride, assisted by tho Rev. W. J. Small wood, vicar, Major William Thomas Marshall (h.p.), late 19th Regiment, youngest son i„4.„ r?li„„„i nr„«.v_ii '* , 82nd Regiment, to Edith Mary - , second daughter of Samuel Rawlins, Esq

(perhaps he was in India 1861)

Chris :)

18 August 1866 - Army and Navy Gazette - London, London, England

“... following officers to have the local rank of Major in India
Captain William F. T. Marshall, 19th Foot; March 13


Ancestry carries England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966

(also online)

https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/#wills

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30 October 1872 - Exeter Flying Post - Exeter, Devon, England

Births
October 23 at Teignbridge House, near Newton Abbot, Mrs. W. F. T. MARSHALL, a son.


(probably below)

Births Dec 1872 (>99%)
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MARSHALL Frank William Newton A. 5b 148


1881 (Find My Past)
Edith Mary Marshall Head Widow Female 32 1849 Income From Dividends On Personal Property & Settlements Moseley, Worcestershire, England
Frank Wm Marshall Son Single Male 8 1873 Scholar Devon, England
Rebecca Osborne Servant Single Female 20 1861 Gen Serv Middlesex, England
Parish Yaxley
County Suffolk
Registration district Hartismere
Archive reference RG11
Piece number 1854
Folio 25
Page 10