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Nicola.. If you already any of the above and following info supplied re Marshall's ..say nothing or I will have lost the will to live..

Searched and found the Will's for Mary Hervey Marshall and William but cannot locate one for George Robert J.

Mary Marshall (widow) died 2 October 1871 Tewksbury. Will was proved 1 November a Gloucester by Charles Robert Creese Bank Cashier one of the Executors.

William Frederick Thomas Marshall Esq. Late of Teignbridge House Kingsleign Devon.
Died 29 September 1872
Will Proved at Principal Registry 18th October 1872.
ROBERT KIBBLE HERVEY...Barrister at Law of 2 Cromwell Tce Bayswater and Wm. Rawlins Barrister at Law 18 Down St. Mayfair.

How you can untangle these families is beyond me....!!!

You can access the above on National Archives site.and send for copies.

I have been trying to find to some degree the family of George Marshall and Mary Hervey listed on the 1871 Census eg. George R J Marshall and William FT.Marshall

It appears that Mary Marshall may have died 1871 Registered Tewksbury .

George Robert J Marshall aged 46 died and is Registered Jan. quarter 1873 Taunton Devon.
William F T aged 42 died 1872 and is Registered Devon Dec quarter.1872. Newton Abbot Devon.

Given the ages and names/initials of both the above men its a distinct probability they are the son's listed living with Mary Marshall 1871.

William F T Marshall is on the 1851 Census at Brompton Barrack's Medway Gillingham Kent.
Occupation: Ensign Army

Cant find George Rbt.J Marshall (1851)

1861 George Rbt.J Marshall is on the Census in St Helier .
Occupation : Late Captain on Half Pay. 27th Regiment.

Cant locate William F T.Marshall 1861.

Well Done Eringobragh !

Odd that only the daughters from James Hervey's first marriage are found.
Eldest daughter Elizabeth b 1782 is still unnacounted for but, she would already be 20yrs old when her youngest, Scots born, half sibling was born.

Others are:
James b 1781 and William b 1795

William b 1785 ( assumed to have died in infancy as name reused in 1795)
Robert b 1792 ( " " " " " " " " reused on 2nd marriage)

On the Paisley Death index, there is a Hervey child listed. Dated 25 Sep 1795
No name on the index which often infers the child was not baptised or, it could be either William (1) or Robert (1) with his name omitted from the index ?

Assuming that the female death refers to Jean Hervey Ms Winning, then she died 21 Dec 1795

OPR Death Search PAISLEY:
The entries may refer to burials as SP make no distinction on the search index.
Where the name James Hervie is showing, it's becauset his name appears within the record but it's not the name of the deceased.
1) un named
2) George
3) Jean


1 25/09/1795 HERVIE ----- JAMES HERVIE M ABBEY /RENFREW 559/00 0050 0211

2 14/09/1773 HERVIE GEORGE ----- M ABBEY /RENFREW 559/00 0050 0100
3 21/12/1795 HERVIE JEAN JAMES HERVIE F ABBEY /RENFREW 559/00 0050 0212

No deaths in Paisley OPR for variant names Hervey/Harvey between 1759 and 1810

Nicola...Taken all day and plenty of patience but satisfied my curiosity re Lt Colonel Marshall ....!!

Christian name GEORGE...

Everything referred only to Lt.Colonel Marshall but persistence pays of eventually..

I found he was stationed in Gib.in the late 1830s and the following sent me to Jamaica West Indies...

" 19 Dec.1839 Lt.Colonel Marshall sailed from Gib. for the West Indies arriving 4th. Feb 1840.The 82nd Reg were there until 1843 but lost 200 men and eight officers in the first year to yellow fever Including Lt Colonel Marshall "
This Lt Colonel Marshall could have been anyone but I then cross ref.and found the following.

From "Wellington's Men Remembered" Vol.2

MARSHAL GEORGE.
Captain 82nd Prince of Wales Volunteer Regiment of Foot
Box Tomb
New Burial Ground
Up Park Camp
St Andrew's Parish
Kingston
Jamaica

" Sacred to the memory of George Marshall K.H (Think that may mean Kings Horse)
Late Lt.Colonel Commanding HMS 82nd Reg.of Foot. Who after 42 years of Meritorious Service died of fever 2nd.June 1841 at U.P.C. (Up Park Camp)
Aged 58years."
There is a photo of the tomb in the book but not able to access it...

I think he must be Mary Hervey's husband....will continue perusing to see if I can further confirm it.....

(saw below)

Chris :)

27 August 1850 - Liverpool Mercury - Liverpool, Merseyside, England

ASHFIELD - HOUSE, NESTON, NEAR PARKGATE CHESIRE.
To Be Let, and entered upon at Christmas, this delightfully situated, large and commodious residence, for many years past in the occupation of the Misses Hervey as a Ladies Boarding School of celebrity. As they are retiring from school duties, they will dispose of their household furniture and effects for the moderate sum of £300. This comprises 23 beds, with good hair mattresses, blankets, four piano fortes, and every requisite for a large school of the first class. The house may be had for a term of years at the same rent the Misses Hervey have paid, and may be viewed and further particulars had of Miss Hervey, but no one need apply who cannot advance the money on entering the premises.


06 April 1850 - Manchester Courier and Lancashire General Advertiser

PARTNERSHIPS DISSOLVED
Hervey and Lascelles, Neston, Cheshire, schoolmistresses

(another dated 15th April, Janet Hervey, Frances Lascelles, Neston, Cheshire schoolmistresses. Debts received and paid by Hervey)

Sarah Hervey married James Kibble 1839 Manchester

Children : James William Kibble b 26 Mar 1841 Gorbals, Glasgow
Hervey Kibble b 11 Feb 1843 Gorbals, Glasgow


1841: Abbotsford Place, Gorbals

James Kibble 35 Merchant B Lanarkshire
Sarah Kibble 35 b Scotland
James Kibble 2 Mo
Catherine Mclaren 45 Female Servant
Mary Forrester 25 Female Servant

1851, Sarah is a widow living at Lyzare on the Isle Of Man
Mistrancribed as Ribble

Sarah Ribble 46 Widow B Scotland
James Wm Ribble 10 Son B Scotland
Hervey Ribble 8 Son B Scotland
Ellen Fargher 19 Servant B IOM

1861: Chorlton upon Medlock, Lancs
Name Age
Sarah Kibble 60
J W Kibble 20
Henry Kibble 16 ( Should read Hervey)
Margaret Brown 20 Servant

Hervey Kibble married Mary Louisa Bayley 1 Aug 1867 in Manchester.
Family and children easily tracked until Hervey's death in 1883


1871: Mosside Lancashire
Name Age
Sarah Kibble 71
James Wm Kibble 30
Mary Pimblett 17 Servant
Margaret Williamson 68 Servant

Sarah drops off census returns ( not the Sarah Kibble who died in Essex 1881)
James William remains single until his death 20 Jun 1902

CHRISTIAN/ CHRISTINA Hervey dau of James Hervey and Jean Winning
appears at 1841 as Schoolmistress in Neston, Cheshire with sisters Jane and Janet but not located again.

Name: Christian Hervey
Registration Year: 1850
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration district: Wirral
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Cheshire

_______________________________

JANE/ JEAN HERVEY dau of James Hervey and Jean Winning.

Jane is on the 1841 census in Neston, Staffs with sisters, Christina and Janet.
She is found again on 1851 census in Brewood, Staffordshire with sisters Janet and Mary Marshall.
By 1861 her sisters Mary and Janet were now in St Catherine's Gloucester, but no Jane.
I know why!

Jane entered Fairwater Asylum, Taunton in 1860 and died there in 1862
Name: Jane Hervey
Gender: Female
Admission Date: 20 Mar 1860
Institution: Fairwater Ho.
Intitution Place: United Kingdom
Death Date: 7 Jan 1862
Death Place: United Kingdom


Jane Hervey
Registration Year: 1862
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration district: Taunton
Parishes for this Registration District:
Inferred County: Somerset
Volume: 5c
Page: 306

Jane was unmarried and probate granted to her sister Janet Hervey .
____________________________

JANET Hervey. Dau of James Hervey and Jean Winning
Found on all census returns 1841-1871

Name: Janet Hervey
Estimated birth year: abt 1793
Registration Year: 1880
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Age at Death: 87
Registration district: Taunton

No probate found

My head is whirling. Far too many James/Kibble/Hervey/Marshall et al for my poor brain.

But please give me a little time to jot all this down on paper and try to draw trees between all these marriages!

I'LL BE BACK ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-)

(thankyou for following her up E, been too nice here to sit inside, lol, was following your News find, am sure there are probably more items relating in papers, haven't read back, do we know the name of Major Marshall?)

Chris :)

Eringobragh,
I had a look at the Kibbles a few days ago.
*** I know that at least one or two of James Kibble's children married and remained in Scotland.... See footnote
His sister Isabella was the 2nd wife of James Hervey ( married 1798)
Son James married Christina Hervey in Manchester ( 2x children b in Glasgow)

Dau Elizabeth married James Hervey in Glasgow 1849 and are found living in Mosside, Manchester at 1851.
On this census, James Hervey was 38yrs old and place of birth is given as Isle Of Bourbon.
Bourbon is now called Reunion

Therefore:
1851 found in Mosside. Place of birth: Ile Of Bourbon
1861 found in Macclesfield Place of birth: Mauritius
1871 found in Chorley. Place of birth: Maritius
1881 found i Chorley. Place of birth; Mauritius
1891 found in Chorley. Place of birth: Mauritius
1901 Found in Alderley Edge. Place of birth: BOURBON
.
Lle Bourbon/Reunion is also in the Indian Ocean and lies about 109 mls southeast of Mauritius

Not sure who his father was but surely he must be a grandson from the first marriage of of James Hervey?
( husband of both Jean Winning and Isabella Kibble)

His approx year of birth is consistently 1813
This suggests that all sons from James Hervey's 2nd marriage in 1798 would be too young to be this man's father.

Wonder if Nicola knows?

Footnote
*** I was given access to a GR tree from 2011.
The person gave me access re a potential common rellie but, we have no connection. The contact did not removed my access
On a GR search yesterday, I realised that the Kibble family is in THIS tree and took a look!
Assuming the info is correct ( some of it certainly is), it may fill in some Kibble gaps for Nicola

Here She is.....

Name Emma Grace Marshall
Gender Female
Christening Date 11 Nov 1832
Christening Place Runcorn Parish
Father's Name William George Marshall
Mother's Name Catherine Marshall

Chris...I am near demented with these families...!!!
Have been all over Scotland with the Kibble/Kibbels....apart from going back and forth to Mauritius..!

I have no doubt that the above you have posted belongs to the Marshall's but working that one out.. well that's another hour going out the window...

(wondered if below related to husband of Mary)

Chris :)

Marriages Dec 1850 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------
Hill George William Runcorn 19 273
Marshall Emma Grace Runcorn 19 273


Cheshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1850

HILL George William MARSHALL Emma Grace Runcorn, All Saints Halton C12/2/249

http://www.cheshirebmd.org.uk/index.php


19 October 1850 - Manchester Courier and Lancashire General Advertiser

Marriage
On the 8th inst., at the Parish Church, Runcorn, George Wm. Hill, Esq, of Outrington, to Emma Grace, only surviving child of the late Lieutenant Wm. G. Marshall, H.E I.C.B., and niece of the late Colonel Marshall, 82nd Regiment.

(image on FMP, her Father, William George Marshall, occ. Naval Lieutenant. No age for her, Minor)

Name Mary Marshall
Event Type Census
Event Date 1871
Event Place Whistones, Worcestershire, England
Enumeration District 1
Gender Female
Age 80
Marital Status Widowed
Occupation Lieut. Cols. Widow
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Birth Year (Estimated) 1791
Birthplace Glasgow, Scotland
Entry Number 10
Affiliate Image Identifier GBC/1871/3049/0042



Household

Role

Gender

Age

Birthplace

Mary Marshall Head F 80 Glasgow, Scotland
Elizabeth E Marshall Daughter F 46 Mauritius
George R J Marshall Son M 44 Mauritius *** Late Capt.)
William F T Marshall Son M 41 Manuritius *** Major A P) No idea what A P is
Louisa J Marshall Daughter F 38 Manuritius
Janet H Marshall Sister F 78 Paisley, Scotland (?should be Hervey)
Emma E Lee Servant F 22 Old Hills, Worcestershire
Harriet Hitchman Servant F 19 Woodstock, Oxfordshire

Name Mary Marshall
County Gloucestershire
Event Type Census
Event Date 1861
Event Place Kingsholm St Catherine, Gloucestershire, England
Ecclesiastical Parish St Mark
Registration District Gloucester
Residence Note Tewkesbury Road
Gender Female
Age 70
Marital Status Widow
Occupation ...
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Birth Year (Estimated) 1791
Birthplace Scotland
Page Number 9
Registration Number RG09
Piece/Folio 1765 / 132
Affiliate Record Type Household



Household

Role

Gender

Age

Birthplace

Mary Marshall Head F 70 Scotland
Emily Marshall Daughter F 34 ...,
Lousia Marshall Daughter F 25 ...,
Janet Kerney Sister F 66 Scotland (Should be Hervey)
Emma Travell Servant F 22 ..., Gloucestershire

This saga goes on and on and on.....Found this by sheer chance.....

Is this the " Mary" daughter of James listed by Glasgow Lass 10 May 14.51.


From the Westmeath Journal......

WMT J 1824 10 28 NPM MARSHALL Maj On the 16th of June last, at the Mauritius, Major Marshall of the 82nd Regiment, to Mary, daughter of James Hervey, Esq. of Ardwick Green, Manchester.

Nicola,
Did you find this?
I forgot to add it yesterday

1841: Ashfield House, Neston, Cheshire
This is a school and although the ages are a bit out, it sure looks like the 3 sisters, Christina, Jane and Janet Hervey.
Emily Marshall is here too
All others are pupils or servants.

Christina Hervey 45 School Mistress Single b Scotland ( age would be 57)
Jane Hervey 40 School Mistress Single B Scotland ( would be 53))
Jane Hervey 35 School MistressB Scotland ( would be Janet age 48)
*****Emily Marshall 15 Pupil b Foreign Parts***
Mary Bimes 15
Dora Hall 15
Elizabeth Hodgson 15
Elizabeth Woodall 14
Mary Pilling 14
Caroline Salusbwy 13
Ann Davies 30
Elizabeth Speed 30

I have been pondering James Hervey b circa 1813 in Mauritius who married Elizabeth Kibble in Glasgow 1849.

If he was born in Mauritius, who was his father?
In Feb 1837, a man named James Kibble in Mauritius received £58 11s 4d in compensation for two slaves.
Father or son? Or not connected?

.https://www.ucl.ac.uk/lbs/claim/view/2120005019

(ah!, thankyou for that GL, not much knowledge of Scots. areas me, lol, will leave that to you and rg, think I'm in a Hervey/Hervie free zone here in Cambs., well, except for the University bit that is, lol)

Phew!...

Chris :)

You may have missed the relevant posts Nicola but, your family seems to have at least 2 marriages between cousins.( Kibble and Hervey)
Descendants of James Hervie with Jean Winning and/or Isabella Kibble married the children of Isabella's Kibble's own brother, James Kibble