Im trying to locate Higher Street in plymouth. In 1911 my ancestor lived there and when i tried to find out where it is i cannot find it. If anyone can help i would be most grateful.
Thanks Martin Knight
Googling HIgher Street in Plymouth brought up a modern housing advert for Kings Road, Higher St. Budeaux, Plymouth
So might it have been Higher St Budeaux which does exist on todays maps?
If you can give us the full transcript or enough details to find it ourselves, it might be possible to identify the enumerators description and the surrounding roads.
hi this is the transcript of the census record of my ancestor:
Name Elsie Knight
Age in 1911 10
Estimated Birth Year abt 1901
Relation to Head Granddaughter
Birth Place Plymouth
Civil parish Plymouth
Street Address 2 Higher Street, Plymouth
Registration district Plymouth
Registration District Number 276
Sub-registration district Plymouth North
ED, institution, or vessel 2
Household schedule number 33
William Watts 58
Kate Watts 58
Elsie Knight 10
It is still in existence in 1939
Household (2 People)
2 Higher Street , Plymouth C.B., Devon, England
Ellen B Symons 16 Sep 1891 Female House Keeper Divorced 105 2
Oscar E Parmenter 04 Jan 1894 Male General Labourer Divorced 105 1
my gt.grandmother lived in higher street
Name Mary A Elley
Event Type Census
Event Date 1881
Event Place Plymouth Charles, Devon, England
Registration District Plymouth
Residence Note Higher St
Marital Status (Original) Widow
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Birth Year (Estimated) 1831
Birthplace Plymouth, Devon, England
Page Number 44
Registration Number RG11
Affiliate Record Type Household
I haven't checked all 2,400 + entries for Plymouth Reg District Piece 12940 but those I have all give addresses that today would class as just east of the centre of Plymouth.
Looking at the original of the 1911 census posted and then working backwards, Gasking Street is immediately prior to Higher Street and that can be found by googling and is currently a PL4 postcode.
St Budeaux is not in this area of Plymouth
Plymouth was bombed quite heavily in WW2 and much has been rebuilt since then, but you can certainly get an idea of the area by looking at surrounding street names.
??? Whitecross Street alias Higher Street and Gasking Street, Plymouth
See this link:
Don't know when this plan dates from.
It's held at Plymouth and West Devon Record Office.
Gasking Street still exists, though Google Maps doesn't show any Whitecross Street.
Gasking Street is quite steep - maybe Higher Street was at the upper end of it ??
This link below mentions Higher Street as being on the north side of Exeter Street, which is now part of the A374 which runs along the bottom of Gasking Street.
(From a book called "Streets of Old Plymouth, published in 1901.)
HIGHER STREET, BRETON SIDE, FRIARY GREEN
AND PASSAGE HOUSE INN.
IT is not long since, that in Higher Street on the north side of
Exeter Street, and Lower Street on the south side of the same
street there could be seen numerous picturesque houses such as
are shown in the accompanying sketch. In common, with nearly all the old
streets of Plymouth, the hand of the destroyer has been busy, and these fine
gabled houses have been demolished to give place to newer and less picturesque
dwellings. In this way old Plymouth is vanishing, and new Plymouth is arising
in all the glory of new bricks and ugly stucco to the disgust of lovers of the
picturesque on the one hand, but to the joy of the utilitarian on the other.
Not only are the old houses, which form links with the remote past dis-
appearing, but even the street names become obliterated as years go by, and
the march of improvement spreads. It is the duty therefore of those who
venerate the past to do their best to preserve the memorials of old Plymouth —
the Plymouth as known to our fathers and grandfathers. In old maps we
note many street names which are no longer in existence ; thus, in the imme-
diate neighbourhood of which we are treating. Higher Street was >named Hawk
Street (in 1765), and Lower Street does not appear at alL Briton Side has lost
its individuality and has been merged into Treville Street, and Jubilee Lane now
forms part of Exeter Street ; Seven Stars Street (which is of more than ordinary
interest as the birthplace of Kitto) has been amalgamated with StiUman Street;
Duck's Lane is now Week Street ; Butcher's Lane has regained its older appel-
lation of Treville Street (from an old family name) ; Colmer's Lane is now known
as Kinterbury Street ; Pomeroy Conduit Street would scarcely be known as Batter
Street ; and Buckwell Street, which, between 181 2 and 182 1, was known as
Higher Broad Street, has returned to its all^iance to the still older name of
Buckwell Street ; its sister, Bilbury Street, for a time known as Lower Broad
Street, being now merged with Treville Street The name Exeter Street appears
to have been given to a portion of Briton Side (qy. Bitton Side) as late as
1793, and Friars Lane, now Beaumont Road, once rejoiced in the appellation of
Denham's Lane. Green Street was for a short time known as Little Church Lane ;
then as New Church Lane, and of late years it also has returned to its older
patronymic. Many other changes in our street nomenclature might be men-
tioned, but these must suffice to show that the town authorities have at various
times played fast and loose with our town's traditions, with little or no vene-
ration for the men, the events, or the days of the past
Details of book:
thanks everyone for all the help you have given
1911 England Census Summary Books (Ancestry)
(2, Higher Street, Plymouth) (Devon Plymouth North District 02)
Mr Watts (in Household, 1 Male 2 Females 3 Persons)
edits (oops!, apologies, thought at first you couldn't find on 1911)
I have only just noticed this post. My grandparents (John & Clara Northmore) lived in Higher Street - my father, Frederick Northmore, one of 17 children, was born 1910.
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