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The only 2 John Derek Gore's born in 1932 are born to the following.....Elizabeth Daley married George G Gore and Gladys Victoria Hartshorne married Walter Gore. Can we link either of these two families to Queenie Gore ? The mystery continues.

First name(s) DEREK E
Last name GORE
Birth year 1932
Birth quarter 4
Registration month -
Mother's last name TAYLOR
District WINCHCOMB
County Gloucestershire
Country England
Volume 6A
Page 533
Record set England & Wales births 1837-2006
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Births & baptisms
Collections from Great Britain
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could this be related.?

if Kevin could confirm if his father birthday was between Oct /Dec or even as early as very late Sept.

Kevin- there is a lot of work on this family, they didn't seem to stick to their birth names. H A Gore mentioned in one of the article above was Harold Archibald Gore- it seems he was born Archibald Raymond!

Queenie's father died in 1941, his death is listed under Arthur John, but in the Will calendars he's just listed as John! This family didn't want to make things easy :)

GORE John, of 1 Gretton Hill Winchcomb Gloucestershire died 5 December 1941 Administration Gloucester 16 June to Harold Archibald Gore and Frederick George Gore labourers.
https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk

I'll have another dig around tomorrow. It wouldn't surprise me if John Derek was registered under an entirely different name. It must be so frustrating for you.

Hi Kevin, I use the British Newspaper Archive http://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk

but I think the same papers are available on Find My Past.

Using different search terms produces quite a few articles- The family weren't saints! There's quite a bit of petty crime going on between them. Nellie and Doris both got in a spot of bother in 1924 (obtaining money by false pretences) and were bound over for two years.

Well done guys and girls.....AustinQ how do I read the newspaper articles you found. I now have to work out which of Mrs John Gore's children gave birth to Ronald Gore. Still leaves me to find John Derek Gore's parents as it can't be Queenie who is his birth mother due to no birth certificates on record showing this to be the case.
Did another family member have John Derek and die, leaving Queenie to raise him.

Just looking a little more into this family- nothing seems to fit nicely!!

Queenie born 1909- looking at the 1911 census her father is John- 1901 shows Arthur John, but her marriage, according to Kevin, states father as Richard John.

Despite Queenie marrying a Mr Brain, it isn't noted in the 1939 register.
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There are a few references in the paper to the Gores:

Gloucestershire Echo - Saturday 28 August 1937
Summerised-
Frederick George Gore was charged with housebreaking and larceny after breaking into his father's house- his father being John Gore of Gretton Hill Cottage. Ronald Lewis Gore (15), grandson of John Gore gave evidence to say the house was left secure.

Gloucestershire Echo - Thursday 28 January 1937

Ronald Gore Grandson.


Gloucester Citizen - Wednesday 18 March 1942

Interesting that it states that Mr Rupert Gore and Mr Ronald Gore are Brothers.

Well found Austin x

Kevin,

Did you see my post at 11.40 today referencing Miss Yvonne Gore???

Dea x

Gloucester Citizen - Wednesday 18 March 1942

LATE MRS D. E DAVIES
Funeral Service at Newent

The funeral of Mrs Doris Emily Davies, wife of Lionel Davies of Burnside Cottage, Boulsdon, Newent took place at Newent Cemetery on Tuesday. Mrs Davies who was 36 years of age, died in the Gloucester Royal Infirmary on Friday...
Principal mourners were the Husband, Mr FC Gore, Mr Rupert Gore and Mr Ronald Gore (brothers), Mrs J Hawkins, Miss Q Gore and Yevonne (sisters)...
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Gloucestershire Echo - Thursday 28 January 1937

Gretton Funeral
Tribute to Mrs John Gore
The funeral took place at Christ Church Gretton, yesterday of Mrs Maria Gore, wife of John Gore who died on Saturday at the age of 62.
Mrs Gore was born at Winchcombe , the daughter of the late Mr and Mrs James Knight. Mrs Gore lived in Gretton for most her life and is the mother of Mr H A Gore, the Tewksbury Town FC Official and Cheltenham League referee...

Family mourners were Mr John Gore (husband), Mr H A Gore, George and Rupert (sons), Mrs L Davies, Miss Q Gore, Miss Yvonne Gore and Miss Joan Gore (daughters), Master Ronald Gore (Grandson), and Miss Vera Gore (neice)...

Forgot to say that Ronald L Gore listed as John Derek's dad was an RAF pilot officer but I have no idea how to find these records.....anybody now how to find this record.

The name on the marriage certificate could be "fictitious" My grandfather married as William Thomas but his name was Tom.

Yes that's her Pam.

All the info is on page one.

Could this be her on 1911 ?



John Gore Junr Head Married Male General Labourer 39 1872 Newbury Berkshire

Margaret Gore Wife Married Female - 37 1874 Winchcombe Glostershire

Launcelot Gore Son Single Male General Labourer 15 1896 Gretton Glostershire

Archibald Gore Son - Male General Labourer 13 1898 Gretton Glostershire

Beatrice Gore Daughter - Female School 11 1900 Gretton Glostershire

Doris Gore Daughter - Female - 9 1902 Gretton Glostershire

Annie Gore Daughter - Female - 7 1904 Gretton Glostershire

Nellie Gore Daughter - Female - 4 1907 Gretton Glostershire

Quennie Gore Daughter - Female - 2 1909 Gretton Glostershire

Have you got Queenie's birth certificate ?

The Ronald L Gore living with Queenie at 21 Coventry Close is the correct Ronald. Queennie was a spinster when she married William Brain in 1958. I have ordered Ronald's birth certificate but they take so long to come. I also ordered the birth certificate for Ronald Louis Gore, married to Ann Florence Kerr. We were told by my birth mother that John Derek Gore was an only child who lived with his mother Queenie. When I ordered the wedding certificate for Queenie and William Brain, it shows John Derek Gore as a witness and Richard John Gore as Queenie's dad but finding a Richard John Gore with a daughter called Queenie is proving tough.

Ronald L b1922 (MMN Gore) could only be Queenie's son if she was 13 when he was born. Not impossible but very unlikely. Possibly the son of one of her sisters. I think I would get that birth cert.

The nearest birth to John Derek's is Ronald b1931. That birth cert might also help.

There are these other births for Gore with mmn Gore in Gloucestershire:


Births Mar 1924 (>99%)

Gore James K C Gore Stroud 6a 569 Scan available - click to view


Births Jun 1931
Gore Ronald Gore Winchcomb 6a 576

Births Sep 1940
Gore June Gore Cheltenham 6a 1009

There is a tree on Ancestry which has her having a partner, George Polowski, with 3 children, 2 private and June b1940.

Ah, I get it now! :-)

I read it as......

Maureen left us with Derek.......... and Queenie and went to Germany.

So as far as you are aware, John Derek never knew who his parents were?

Prickly, I think it was Maureen who Kevin met.

Thank you for replying on here Kevin.

I am bit confused.

Who is the Queenie that you met earlier this year aged 81??

Not sure if this is him but Queenie Brain is at the same address, 21 Coventry Close, Parish of Churchdown:


Name:Ronald Gore
Year:1962
Country:England
County:Gloucestershire
Parliamentary Divison:West Gloucestershire