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Lucy Sophia Wingfield

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alviegal

alviegal Report 3 Aug 2017 13:11

1851 for ref.


1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Lower Common, Ewell, Epsom, Surrey, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Jane Richards Head W Female 43 1808 Millwrights Widow Ewell, Surrey, England
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William Richards Son Unmarried Male 21 1830 Agr Lab Ewell, Surrey, England
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Mary Ann Marsh Daughter Married Female 19 1832 - Ewell, Surrey, England
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John Richards Son Unmarried Male 17 1834 Agr Lab Ewell, Surrey, England
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George Richards Son Unmarried Male 13 1838 Agr Lab Ewell, Surrey, England
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Henry Richards Son Unmarried Male 10 1841 Agr Lab Ewell, Surrey, England
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William Marsh Son In Law Married Male 26 1825 Agr Lab England
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William Etherington Lodger Unmarried Male 27 1824 Agr Lab England
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Mary Ann Marsh Grand Daur - Female - - - Long Ditton, Surrey, England


and 1841


1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Kingston Road, Ewell, Epsom, Surrey, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Gender Age Birth year Birth place
Jane Richards Female 30 1811 Surrey, England
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Mary Richards Female 9 1832 Surrey, England
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John Richards Male 7 1834 Surrey, England
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George Richards Male 2 1839 Surrey, England
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John Weller Male 50 1791 Surrey, England
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Henry Worsfold Male 15 1826 Surrey, England

malyon

malyon Report 3 Aug 2017 11:20

William Richards
mentioned in the record of William Richards and Jane Carter
Name
William Richards
Spouse's Name
Jane Carter
Event Date
27 Dec 1825
Event Place
Epsom,Surrey,England

John

John Report 2 Aug 2017 23:50

I need more help please regarding the Richards, I have now found the family of William Richards who married Lucy Sophia Wingfield. His father was William Richards and I found the baptism for William in 1830 Ewell and it states his parents William and Jane Richards occ of William mill wright, this ties up with the occ given on marriage of William and Lucy in 1859 Malling. I am unable to find a birth or death of William senior, in 1841 he had died because given on census Jane his wife being a widow, also on that census William junior was not in the household. but he was on the 1851 and his youngest brother Henry being born in 1841 . Obviously William their father must have died around 1841 but unable to find a death in Epsom or Ewell, Because he had died by the 1st census came out I am unable to find when he was born. Any help on this one will be appreciated

John

John Report 20 Jan 2017 03:27

The marriage of Lucy Sophia Wingfield to William Richards feel sure is the right one, Malling is not all that far away from Hadlow or Tunbridge.where the first 2 children were born. Looking at the 1871 census I see that Lucy stated she was born 1839 Westminster.. Unsure if the marriage of William Williams and Sophia Wingfield are her parents. It certainly said on the GRO that her mother was Jackson. I have seen there was a Sophia Wingfield born in Gravesend, now here is where there could possibly be a twist because Daisy the daughter of William and Lucy Richards came to live in Gravesend, States on all the census's for her born in Croydon, perhaps they were distant family.

greyghost

greyghost Report 19 Jan 2017 23:21

Image of that marriage is on Ancestry

Both of full age
William Williams Bachelor. Harness Maker. Of North Wharf Road. Father John is a Saddler. Signed.
Sophia Wingfield Spinster, Of North Wharf Road. Father Thomas Wingfield a Labourer. Made her Mark.

Witnesses Thomas Wells and Sarah (?Drysdale) - both signed

Andrew

Andrew Report 19 Jan 2017 23:12

Just looking at this marriage

London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921


Name: Sophia Wingfield
Spouse: William Williams
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 26 Dec 1841
Parish: St James, Paddington
Borough: Westminster
Father Name: Thomas Wingfield
Spouse Father: John Williams
Register Type: Parish Register


Andy

John

John Report 19 Jan 2017 22:59

Meant to say their daughter who called herself Richardson was Daisy, born Croydon 1883

greyghost

greyghost Report 19 Jan 2017 22:55

She maybe told a little white lie about her age for the marriage as she would only have been 18 and would have needed parents permission. Also made her a bit closer to the groom's age!!

Maybe Dad was fictitious too ....... or if he had died and her Mother had remarried she may be sitting on the census with the surname of her step dad.

John

John Report 19 Jan 2017 22:50

Many thanks GG, I see on the marriage it states her birth date as 1837 not 1841. I see her father was called William .Such a confusing family because the daughter of William and Lucy Richards called herself Richardson, she had 4 children surnames of Lear yet she didn't live with him and still called herself Richardson, so had a problem finding her. Maybe a few white lies at times.

greyghost

greyghost Report 19 Jan 2017 22:46

?? Family in 1871 - Lucy a little older than birth registration

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Napier Road, Croydon, Surrey, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
William Richards Head - Male 40 1831 - LAbourer Ewell, Surrey, England
Lucy Richards Wife - Female 32 1839 - Westminster, Middlesex, England
Lizzie Richards Daughter - Female 11 1860 - (?Hadlow), Kent, England **
William Richards Son - Male 7 1864 - Tunbridge, Kent, England
Jane Richards Daughter - Female 4 1867 - Croydon, Surrey, England

**Original reads Headlow, but there is a Hadlow near Tunbridge

greyghost

greyghost Report 19 Jan 2017 22:41

Possible children

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
RICHARDS, ELIZA SOPHIA WINKFIELD Order
GRO Reference: 1860 S Quarter in TONBRIDGE Volume 02A Page 407

RICHARDS, WILLIAM JOHN WINGFIELD Order
GRO Reference: 1864 M Quarter in TONBRIDGE Volume 02A Page 499

RICHARDS, JANE WINGFIELD
GRO Reference: 1866 D Quarter in CROYDON Volume 02A Page 211 Order

RICHARDS, ELIZABETH WINGFIELD
GRO Reference: 1870 M Quarter in CROYDON Volume 02A Page 197 Order

Not seeing another Richards/Wingfield marriage around the time


greyghost

greyghost Report 19 Jan 2017 22:26

The marriage you say is hers gives her Father as William a Labourer.

Kent Marriages Transcription

First name(s) Lucy Sophia
Last name Wingfield
Birth year 1837
Marriage year 1859
Marriage year as transcribed 1859
Marriage date 15 Oct 1859
Church Holy Trinity
Marriage place East Peckham, Holy Trinity
Spouse's first name(s) William
Spouse's last name Richards
Groom's first name William
Groom's last name Richards
Groom's birth year 1834
Groom's age 25
Groom's marital status Bachelor
Groom's occupation Labourer
Groom's residence Little Mill
Groom's father's name William
Groom's father's occupation Millwright
Bride's first name Lucy Sophia
Bride's last name Wingfield
Bride's birth year 1837
Bride's age 22
Bride's marital status Spinster
Bride's residence Little Mill
Bride's father's name William
Bride's father's occupation Labourer
Banns or licence Banns
County Kent
Record source East Peckham, Holy Trinity marriages 1843-1947
Record set Kent Marriages
Category

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England & Wales marriages 1837-2008 Transcription

First name(s) LUCY SOPHIA
Last name WINGFIELD
Marriage quarter 4
Marriage year 1859
Registration month -
MarriageFinderâ„¢ LUCY SOPHIA WINGFIELD married one of these people
WILLIAM RICHARDS, DENIS CRONIN, DENIS CROMIN
District MALLING
District number -
County Kent
Country England
Volume 2A
Page 585

greyghost

greyghost Report 19 Jan 2017 22:15

For an idea of place -

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: Order:
WINGFIELD, LUCY SOPHIA JACKSON Order
GRO Reference: 1841 J Quarter in SAINT JAMES WESTMINSTER Volume 01 Page 102

MMN Jackson, but if she had been married previously you wouldn't be looking for a Wingfield/Jackson marriage

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England & Wales births 1837-2006 Transcription

First name(s) LUCY SOPHIA
Last name WINGFIELD
Birth year 1841
Birth quarter 2
Registration month -
Mother's last name -
District ST. JAMES WESTMINSTER
County London
Country England
Volume 1
Page 102

John

John Report 19 Jan 2017 21:55

I am trying to find Lucy Sophia Wingfield, all I found is she was born 1841 and then married in 1859, I have looked on GRO and found her mother as being Jackson, but found no marriage for Wingfield and Jackson.. Haven't found Lucy in the 1851 census at all. Appreciate if anyone has any ideas please