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Service records for John Wright. b 1873 glasgow

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ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 28 Jan 2017 11:55

John O'Hagan's 1932 marriage wouldn't necessarily rule out a crime in 1922, would it? Depending on what was the outcome of the court case, of course.


Report from Glasgow Herald, 29 May 1922:

A middle-aged woman died in the Royal Infirmary, Glasgow, on Saturday forenoon from the effects of a bullet wound. The woman had been admitted to the Infirmary from a house in the Calton district of this city only a few hours previously. Her name was Margaret McHugh, and she resided at 74 Kirk Street. How she received the bullet wound is not definitely known, but meantime the police of the Eastern Police Division have detained in custody a young man who will probably appear at the Police Court today.
From all accounts it would seem that the shooting, whether accidental or otherwise is not clear, took place in a house at 31 Kirk Street, which the woman McHugh had visited on Friday night. On Saturday morning an ambulance waggon was summoned by telephone to McHugh's own house, a single apartment situated at 74 Kirk Street. The driver of the waggon asked a constable to direct him to the address, and the officer, on accompanying him there, found Margaret McHugh suffering from a severe bullet wound in the abdomen. The woman was removed to the Royal Infirmary where, as stated, she died soon after admission.
The circumstances of the incident are as yet obscure, but further investigations are being made. It appears that after receiving the injury at the house at 31 Kirk Street about midnight, the woman must have made her way, assisted or otherwise, from the house there to her own house at 74 Kirk Street.. The detectives in the course of their investigations found a revolver, which is supposed to be associated with the incident, in the house of the dead woman. The revolver, of 6-chamber Colt make, was almost new and contained five live cartridges. One bullet had been discharged. A young man of the labouring class who was present in the house at 31 Kirk Street during McHugh's visit has been detained by the police, who are still prosecuting their inquiries into the affair.



[I don't have time or energy to trawl through the GH for any later reports, though!]

Nobody appears to have been hanged for her murder:
http://www.capitalpunishmentuk.org/scottish.html

Jean

Jean Report 28 Jan 2017 11:28

Just had a look at the marriage in 1916 to Nellie McFarlane but not my John.

Can't seem to find a connection to James Hagan either but I will keep looking.

thank you

Jean

Jean Report 28 Jan 2017 11:10

Thank you all very much for all this information, I am just going through it all again .

All i can say is that the John O' Hagan Chris found is probably not mine as my John married Elizabeth King in 1932 , his address then was 150, Stevenson street.

Going on to Scotlandspeople now to look at the marriage for 1916. and to see if there is a connection to James Hagan on the 1913 VR .

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 28 Jan 2017 10:01

Jean's earlier threads - about this family:

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1228606

and the O'Hagans:

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/military_chat/thread/1362267

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 28 Jan 2017 09:50

I can't see anything definite on him. Have you considered these two marriages?:

WRIGHT JOHN
COWAN CATHERINE
Year: 1912
Ref: 644/3 583
RD name: Calton (Glasgow)

EDIT: A tree on Ancestry has this John as the son of Nelson Wright & Mary Kean- so if correct this is not our John.
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WRIGHT JOHN
NIMMO NELLIE
MACFARLANE NELLIE
Year: 1916
Ref: 644/3 350
RD name: Calton (Glasgow)

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 28 Jan 2017 09:49

Kirk Street was a slum area at that time, then demolished in the 1930's.

Photo of the back of 16 Kirk street in 1910, here:

http://www.theglasgowstory.com/image/?inum=TGSA00811


Even nowadays, Calton is an area with a high level of crime.
A Google search brings up lots of reports.

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 28 Jan 2017 09:45

Bit of a long shot Jean as I'm sure there would have been a few John Wrights born in the same area as your John. (Hope all is well with you)

Soldiers died in the Great War 1914-1919 Transcription

First name(s) John
Last name Wright
Service number 3/6731
Rank Private
Regiment Princess Louise's (Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders)
Battalion 2nd Battalion.
Birth place Barony, Lanarks
Residence -
Enlistment place Glasgow, Lanarks
Death year 1915
Death day 25
Death month 9
Cause of death Killed in action
Death place France & Flanders
Theatre of war Western European Theatre
Supplementary Notes -
Category Military, armed forces & conflict
Subcategory First World War
Collections from Great Britain
Soldiers Died in the Great War database © Naval and Military Press Ltd 2010

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 28 Jan 2017 09:42

(Saw below, for address reference, will add rest later, no time at present!)

Now added.

Chris :)

30 May 1922 - Dundee Courier - Dundee, Angus, Scotland

GLASGOW SHOOTING FATALITY.
Murder Charge Follows Discussion on Irish Politics.
The sequel to the Glasgow East End tragedy, in which Miss Margaret M'Hugh, 74 Kirk Street, was the victim, has been the remand of John O'Hagan (24) on a charge of murder. He appeared before the Magistrate at Glasgow Eastern Police Court yesterday, when the indictment was as follows: "John O'Hagan, having on 26th or 27th May, in a house at 31 Kirk Street, Calton, discharged a revolver loaded with ball cartridge at the woman M'Hugh, and murdered her." The prisoner seemed to realise his position keenly, and stood with his head bowed. The Fiscal asked for a remand until today, and the Magistrate agreed. It is understood that a discussion took place in a house at 31 Kirk Street on Friday night on Irish politics, and Miss M'Hugh is alleged to have stated that she had something that would settle those who were causing all the trouble. She is said to have shown a revolver to O'Hagan, and while the man was examining the weapon it went off, the bullet striking Miss M'Hugh. She died in the Royal Infirmary on Saturday.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 28 Jan 2017 09:38

In 1915, Mrs Maggie Butler is the tenant at 31 Kirk Street.
1920, Daniel Butler is the tenant there.

by 1925, there are no Butlers in Kirk Street.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 28 Jan 2017 09:36

Per Valuation Rolls on ScotlandsPeople:

In 1915, a Jeanie Wright was the tenant/occupier of 16 Kirk Street, and Mrs Elizabeth Wright was at 64 Kirk Street.

You can see the images on ScotlandsPeople at a cost of 2 credits per image.


In 1920:
Mrs Elizabeth Wright at 64 Kirk Street, tenant;
Jane and Robert Wright at 16 Kirk Street, tenants;
William Wright at 12A Kirk Street, tenant.

1925:
Elizabeth @ 64 Kirk Street;
William @ 12A;
Jane & Robert @ 16.
By coincidence there's a John Wright at 42 Kirk Street, but in Motherwell, not Glasgow - presumably not your John.

By 1930 they've all left Kirk Street.
There's a Jeanie Wright at Hillkirk street, but that's in a different area of Glasgow - Springburn, not Calton.

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 28 Jan 2017 09:19

Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland, Electoral Registers, 1857-1962 (Ancestry)

1913
John Wright, Salesman at 64 Kirk Street...with James Hagan Labourer.

31 Has Hugh O' Hagan Labourer. (No Wrights, or Butlers)

Chris :)

(and Hagan, O'Hagan, think I have posted before somewhere, ah!, Hugh on Military 'Board')


Malyon, when you post references for Army Records, are you not able to view the images?, for Next of Kin etc. (just wondered)

Dea

Dea Report 28 Jan 2017 08:41

The Service records are not him as this is his marriage (mentioned in records) and his father was William.


This John was born in Glasgow!!!! (Army No. 307698)
BUT.............
Marriage: 13 Nov 1897 St Thomas, Pendleton, Lancashire, England
John Wright - 24, Carter, Bachelor, 34 Crown St.
Elizabeth Norbury - 22, Fustian Cutter, Spinster, 37 Crown St.
Groom's Father: William Wright, (deceased), Dyer
Bride's Father: Henry Norbury, (deceased), Art Smith
Witness: William Henry Whitehead; Sarah Norbury
Married by Banns by: Thomas Mullineaux, Curate
Register: Marriages 1894 - 1900, Page 133, Entry 265
Source: Manchester Central Library

Dea x

Jean

Jean Report 28 Jan 2017 05:59

Sorry for the delay in replying, spent a good few hours last night trrying to find him yet again on Scotlandspeople but nigh on impossible with the new site.

Yes he is on the 1911 with brother Henry and cousin Daniel, at 31, Kirk Street , his occupation was Shopman, Retail ironmonger.
It shows he is single.

His brother Henry married in 1912 showing his address as 31, Kirk Street , but John is not one of the witnesses.

thank you all for your input it's much appreciated.

When I saw the service records which Malyon put up from familysearch I thought that might be him but I don't know if it shows any NOK.

greyghost

greyghost Report 27 Jan 2017 21:12

So Jean, do you have him on the 1911 with his brother Henry and cousin Daniel Butler as per OP, or do you mean the 1891 as posted (partly by myself earlier because that's all FMP showed) or as above via Chris Ho which shows who else he is with.

Do you actually have him on the 1911? If so please post - you do say in your OP that you can find nothing AFTER 1911.

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 27 Jan 2017 19:56

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1228606

(past reference on above)

Chris :)

Vera Report 4 Jul 2010 17:23

1891 Scotland.
This is the family with lodgers

Daniel Butler
Age: 24
Estimated birth year: abt 1867
Relationship: Son
Mother's Name: Margaret
Gender: Male
Where born: Glasgow, Lanarkshire
Registration Number: 644/4
Registration district: Calton
Civil parish: Glasgow Barony
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 31, Kirk St
Occupation: Furniture Broker
ED: 38
Household schedule number: 80
Line: 12
Roll: CSSCT1891_256
Household Members: Name Age
Margaret Butler 58
Mary Butler 34
Patrick Butler 32
Ellen Butler 30
Daniel Butler 24
Henry Wright 22
John Wright 18

malyon

malyon Report 27 Jan 2017 19:08

john's mother is elizabeth

John Wright
Scotland Births and Baptisms
Name
John Wright
Gender
Male
Birth Date
09 Feb 1873
Birthplace
CALTON,GLASGOW,LANARK,SCOTLAND
Father's Name
John Wright
Mother's Name
Elizabeth Mccuskey

malyon

malyon Report 27 Jan 2017 19:06


John Wright
United Kingdom, World War I Service Records
Name
John Wright
Event Type
Military Service
Event Year
1915
Residence Place
Manchester, Lancashire, England
Age
42
Military Company/Regiment
Royal Army Service Corps
Military Regiment
20485
Birth Year (Estimated)
1873
Birthplace
Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland

malyon

malyon Report 27 Jan 2017 19:05

John Wright
United Kingdom, World War I Service Records
Name
John Wright
Event Type
Military Service
Event Year
1919
Residence Place
Manchester, Lancashire, England
Age
45
Military Company/Regiment
Labour Corps
Military Regiment
307698
Military Battalion
728th Company
Birth Year (Estimated)
1873
Birthplace
Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland

malyon

malyon Report 27 Jan 2017 19:02


John Wright
Scotland Census, 1881
Name
John Wright
Event Type
Census
Event Date
1881
Gender
Male
Age
8
Birthplace
Lanarkshire
Registration District
Calton
County
Lanarkshire
Birth Year (Estimated)
1873

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 27 Jan 2017 18:15

Searching SP for a possible death for him is a nightmare!

In the "old" SP, if you entered the person's YOB, it would only show you deaths for people of the right age at death.

Not any more - I've put in his YOB, but SP shows me the death of every John Wright between 1911 and 1973, regardless of age.
627 of them!